Why should i not convince everyone I know to vote for Ron Paul? What about the last 12+ years of terrible, failed policy and the next 4-8 years that we're guaranteed with Ron Paul's opponents make it worth not voting for him?

 

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For one, He will not be on the ballot otherwise I would.

 

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Where do you live, why will he not be on a ballot? And if he's not on the ballot why can't you write him in?

 

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I wouldn't vote for him because:

He wants to destroy social security and medicare
He wants to outlaw abortions
He believes that states have the right to oppress their citizens for any reason including religious, gender, race, and political association membership. If a state wants to oppress you, the constitution gives them that right, according to him
He believes that the "free market" ends up helping everyone if government gets out of the way.

In short, he is the wet dream of the far right "conservative" movement that wants the government to let corporations and the wealthy decide everything because they "earned that right" be being "successful".

The only reason most people support the nut bag is he wants to end the federal war on drugs (although he certainly supports state based wars on drugs) and he wants to stop all these stupid wars that "conservatives" want to keep going on forever.

While I certainly am in favor of stopping all the stupid wars, including the one on drugs, his other idea (of which the above are simply the tip of the iceberg) are crazy, and would destroy what little is left of this country and hand it wholesale to the evil shits who were in total power during the Bush years.

Just because what we have sucks....it doesn't mean that giving some radical idiot a shot would make things better. Work to change things, don't burn it all down because you are pissed off. Grow up.

after the obama fiasco, i'm not convinced there's a viable alternative to burning it all down. the current trajectory of the country is directly into the ground. and no one else running for president has any interest at all in changing it. just ignoring it for another 4-8 years and hoping it's still possible to be fixed by whatever guy gets stuck with it.

the abortion stance and the archaic concept of stronger states rights bothers me. staying on the current course and hopping into another pointless war with iran bothers me more.

 

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Agreed - I am personally Pro-Life anyway, but from a policy stand point I am pro-choice. I can give on this without too much of an issue. States rights, again I am for less centralized/Federal power - if that means states pick up the slack - I can give on this without too much of an issue.

All of these things are meaningless though if we continue on our current trajectory. If we don't focus on the bigger major issues and pull our head out of our ass soon (as a country), we will get to figure out all these smaller issues as an administrative district of Russia, China, Japan, or as some form of lord of the flies...

 

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Our current crop of politicians suck. But picking the guy who is obviously stupid over the guys you think might screw you is not a good move.

The trajectory of the country is what it is because of stupid gov't moves, but ripping the welfare rug out from under the country and destroying gov't jobs is the exact wrong move right now. Exact wrong move.

Is obama stupid and corrupt? Yes. but the best move for us right now is to try and stabilize as much as possible with more gov't spending while we try to turn around the jobs situation through policy that favors local labor over foreign labor.

once the free market favors american workers again, then you can elect a nut who wants to destroy the feral gov't.

When your boat's sinking bailing with thimbles may not help, but seeing that fail is no reason to make the hole bigger in hopes a change in strategy is right regardless of what it is.

 

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Wrong, he wants the American people empowered with options.



Wrong, he wants the constitution obeyed and the issue placed back in the hands of the respective states.



You're lying or confused as what you stated is the antitheses and wild distortion of what he wants.



Oh my, you finally got one right. Yes, regulations are too often used to enable corporatism, cronyism and fascism. Where people like you get confused (willfully..or not) is that deregulation does not mean that you wipe out criminal laws against fraud, theft, collusion, racketeering, monopolizing, etc. It also doesn't mean that you have to necessarily wipe out safety regulations. But this is typically what people like yourself like to claim to bogyman/demagogue this particular debate.

Obama betrayed his progressive base. At least, ideologically he mouths the direction which matches an informed point of view. Paul is ideologically bent backwards. Thus, he is a conservative. The bottomline: All politicians hypnotize with their words. When it comes time to doing something substantial, you get fugatz.

I may do a protest vote for a wildly progressive candidate against Obama or waste my vote. But am I really wasting a vote , when it doesnt matter?

I can guarantee you Ron Paul will disappoint you, the same way Obama disappointed me. He wont get shite changed, even if the way he wants to change things is back in time.

 

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Oh, I agree that Obama has been a bust. The man is a political coward and ideologically much closer to the neo-con side than the liberal one.

I'd love for a real liberal to run for president....but that doesn't mean I'm going to vote for a "conservative" nut bag because one isn't.