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AzureTyger  Title: Awesome
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Voting for Ron Paul would be like replacing your inept brain cancer physician with one who's revolutionary treatment plan is to remove the tumor by cutting off your head.
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Modeeb  Title: A Ghost In The Machine
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Registered: 2002-4-19 10:48:36
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In general, conservatism doesnt make much sense to me.
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Ptilk posted:
I'd love for a real liberal to run for president...
A "real" liberal is running for president. What you want is a leftist authoritarian AKA a contemporary capital-L Liberal which are barely any different than the neoconservatives who dominate both sides of the aisle. As a matter of fact, it can be clearly demonstrated that the neoconservatives have moved much further left in at least the last decade to appease big government spending, big government military interventionism, big government welfare, big government corporatism and big government socialism & fascism.
A "real" liberal or a "real" conservative would not be in support of those dynamics. Only people whose mouths are firmed affixed to the teat of government are for those.
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Sinlock Title: Savior of the Camelot Outpost
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Registered: 2000-5-14 16:20:01
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Aerlinthian posted:
Ptilk posted:
He wants to outlaw abortions
Wrong, he wants the constitution obeyed and the issue placed back in the hands of the respective states.
No - he wants to outlaw abortions. This whole entire 'states rights' is just a bullshit cloak for 'we'll talk what states we can into making it illegal'. 'State rights' are abused nonsense.
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i don't buy the doom and gloom about electing ron paul. we were all convinced of various things when we elected obama. he's delivered none of those things. he's delivered the exact opposite of quite a few of them. i don't think our corrupt and terrible congress would allow ron paul to implement even a fraction of what he wants. but it's worth it to have a president who at least publicly speaks as though he's not a clone of all the others.
obama killed any hope i could possibly have that things can be fixed through "the system." i'm ready to burn it down.
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Sinlock Title: Savior of the Camelot Outpost
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I would say that Ron Paul is the best the Republicans have - but the fact he's still a social conservative would stop me from voting for him.
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reesescups Title: //Captain America
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Registered: 2003-5-26 14:45:53
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Sinlock posted:
Aerlinthian posted:
Ptilk posted:
He wants to outlaw abortions
Wrong, he wants the constitution obeyed and the issue placed back in the hands of the respective states.
No - he wants to outlaw abortions. This whole entire 'states rights' is just a bullshit cloak for 'we'll talk what states we can into making it illegal'. 'State rights' are abused nonsense.
Ron Paul is point blank Pro-Life. But lets not muddy the waters.
http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/abortion/
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As an OB/GYN who delivered over 4,000 babies, Ron Paul knows firsthand how precious, fragile, and in need of protection life is.
Dr. Paul’s experience in science and medicine only reinforced his belief that life begins at conception, and he believes it would be inconsistent for him to champion personal liberty and a free society if he didn’t also advocate respecting the God-given right to life—for those born and unborn.
After being forced to witness an abortion being performed during his time in medical school, he knew from that moment on that his practice would focus on protecting life. And during his years in medicine, never once did he find an abortion necessary to save the life of a pregnant woman.
As a physician, Ron Paul consistently put his beliefs into practice and saved lives by helping women seek options other than abortion, including adoption. And as President, Ron Paul will continue to fight for the same pro-life solutions he has upheld in Congress, including:
* Immediately saving lives by effectively repealing Roe v. Wade and preventing activist judges from interfering with state decisions on life by removing abortion from federal court jurisdiction through legislation modeled after his “We the People Act.â€
* Defining life as beginning at conception by passing a “Sanctity of Life Act.â€
Because he agrees with Thomas Jefferson that it is “sinful and tyrannical†to “compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors,†Ron Paul will also protect the American people’s freedom of conscience by working to prohibit taxpayer funds from being used for abortions, Planned Parenthood, or any other so-called “family planning†program.
The strength of love for liberty in our society can be judged by how we treat the most innocent among us. It’s time to elect a President with the courage and conviction to stand up for every American’s right to life.
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that's the part i struggle with most as well. but obama isn't doing anything to promote sane social issues. aside the repeal of dadt i guess. but he's still a spineless pussy in general.
there is no right candidate. there is only a flawed candidate and a parade of fucking terrible candidates.
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Sinlock Title: Savior of the Camelot Outpost
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Seething199 posted:
but obama isn't doing anything to promote sane social issues. aside the repeal of dadt i guess.
He's not doing anything to attack them either - Republicans would be pushing additional social conservative issues. Obama, even at his worst, is not pushing for further social conservative legislation.
But, as you said, he did orchestrate the repeal of DADT. This actually was a very strong step forwards. It would not have happened under a Republican president.
Though I do absolutely agree he has been weak on repealing social conservative nonsense. He should have done more by now than the repeal of DADT. I want to hear him come out in support of legalizing same-sex marriage. It bothers me that he's so damned timid about doing so.
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Ptilk posted:
I wouldn't vote for him because:
He wants to destroy social security and medicare
He wants to outlaw abortions
He believes that states have the right to oppress their citizens for any reason including religious, gender, race, and political association membership. If a state wants to oppress you, the constitution gives them that right, according to him
He believes that the "free market" ends up helping everyone if government gets out of the way.
In short, he is the wet dream of the far right "conservative" movement that wants the government to let corporations and the wealthy decide everything because they "earned that right" be being "successful".
The only reason most people support the nut bag is he wants to end the federal war on drugs (although he certainly supports state based wars on drugs) and he wants to stop all these stupid wars that "conservatives" want to keep going on forever.
While I certainly am in favor of stopping all the stupid wars, including the one on drugs, his other idea (of which the above are simply the tip of the iceberg) are crazy, and would destroy what little is left of this country and hand it wholesale to the evil shits who were in total power during the Bush years.
Just because what we have sucks....it doesn't mean that giving some radical idiot a shot would make things better. Work to change things, don't burn it all down because you are pissed off. Grow up.
Sounds persuasive.
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