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Taliesihne  Title: Wind on the Deep Waters
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Registered: 2004-2-19 04:47:59
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I'm sure you are being helpful and not trying to draw attention away from your horrific argument. 
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GrilledCheez Title: The Lord's Balls
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Registered: 2006-3-22 11:06:32
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Wait are you saying that article was intended to be a political tool for when presidents have a full session to get an appointment through congress but can't? Or are you saying congress was officially in recess?
I thought your entire rebuttal was, "It's in the constitution." Which it isn't. And even if you want to say congress is in recess when they are not officially in recess, it was not intended for the purpose it is being used for here. Unless you are a moron or a political hack. You can choose I guess.
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Taliesihne Title: Wind on the Deep Waters
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The language is specifically in the constitution - the president has the power to make recess appointments.
Congress is officially in recess until the next to last week in January.
Recess appointments have been used as a way to get around political hurdles since the very first presidency.
By practice and by the letter of the law, there is nothing abnormal or wrong about what Obama is doing. If you feel that strongly about it, I recommend seeking a constitutional amendment to redress the issue.
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paulg_68 Posts: 2,469
Registered: 2009-7-27 18:45:54
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Article II, Section II of the US Constitution posted:
The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.
This vacancy didn't happen during the recess of the Senate. It happened before the recess of the Senate.
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Afio  Title: Belle of the Bull
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Registered: 2002-3-19 16:18:03
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paulg_68 posted:
Article II, Section II of the US Constitution posted:
The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.
This vacancy didn't happen during the recess of the Senate. It happened before the recess of the Senate.
http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2012/01/04/another-uproar-over-recess-appointments-what-exactly-congressional-recess
"Lawyers for this White House and for past administrations, including most recently with President George W. Bush, have argued that the use of "pro forma" sessions is merely a legislative sham designed to rob the executive branch of its powers.
Two Bush-era lawyers, John Elwood and Steven Bradbury, called such a strategy "phony" in a 2010 Washington Post op-ed, and said, "The president can use this power to fill a vacancy during any recess between sessions of Congress as well as recesses during sessions of Congress, if they are of substantial length."
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Koneg Title: Evil Genius
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Registered: 2001-12-4 15:31:28
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Thugoneous posted:
I think that just because the Senate didn't officially go into recess
The Senate officially went into recess on December 24th, whether they declare the recess or not, because that's the end of their legislative session.
They are in recess whether they like it, declare it, or not. They can claim they're not in recess until they're blue in the face, but that doesn't make it so.
Only Picard does that. 
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Groucho48 Posts: 821
Registered: 2003-10-22 03:00:14
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GrilledCheez posted:
Except that congress is not in recess. And whether or not it has been done int he past is irrelevant to the question of whether it is an abuse of power. I'm sorry you didn't comprehend what I said though. I doubt that's a new problem for you.
Just remember Talie that you are as thoughtless when it comes to dems abusing power as Fred is with repugs. Grats on that.
Why aren't you blaming Congress for an end=around? They are the ones playing the games and abusing power.
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Sea_of_inK  Posts: 488
Registered: 2004-10-18 12:57:37
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Bush did it 171 times. Obama's got some work to do to catch him, sitting at 32 to date.
Out govt is broken. OFN. Recess appointments and flim-flam procedural maneuvers used to prevent them by never officially going into recess suck but the precedent has been set. Support should be on a case by case basis. I give him credit for not doing it more.
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GrilledCheez Title: The Lord's Balls
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Registered: 2006-3-22 11:06:32
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Groucho48 posted:
GrilledCheez posted:
Except that congress is not in recess. And whether or not it has been done int he past is irrelevant to the question of whether it is an abuse of power. I'm sorry you didn't comprehend what I said though. I doubt that's a new problem for you.
Just remember Talie that you are as thoughtless when it comes to dems abusing power as Fred is with repugs. Grats on that.
Why aren't you blaming Congress for an end=around? They are the ones playing the games and abusing power.
What congress is doing is not against the spirit of their charter in this case. What Obama is doing is.
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Koneg Title: Evil Genius
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Registered: 2001-12-4 15:31:28
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GrilledCheez posted:
What congress is doing is not against the spirit of their charter in this case. What Obama is doing is.
**boggle**
The "spirit of their charter" is to advise and consent. They don't even have the balls to say "no", so instead they stuff the issue in a drawer and try to pretend it doesn't even exist. If that doesn't go against the "spirit of their charter" then nothing does you simpleton.
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