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Afio  Title: Belle of the Bull
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Registered: 2002-3-19 16:18:03
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1/1/00 12:00am
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Obama to appoint CFPB Chief and completely bypass congress for another +1 to Presidential Power |
Taliesihne posted:
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Presidents since George Washington have made recess appointments. Washington appointed South Carolina judge John Rutledge as Chief Justice of the United States during a congressional recess in 1795
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According to the Congressional Research Service, President Bill Clinton made 139 recess appointments. President George W. Bush made 171 recess appointments, and as of December 8, 2011, President Barack Obama had made 28 recess appointments.
Funny how when the guy you didn't endorse does it, it's soooooooooo wrong.
Hypocrites 
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Taliesihne  Title: Wind on the Deep Waters
Posts: 1,117
Registered: 2004-2-19 04:47:59
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:01am
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Obama to appoint CFPB Chief and completely bypass congress for another +1 to Presidential Power |
Grymlo posted:
Yeah i understand all that bull but didnt they use some procedural bullshit to keep them in session so Obama couldnt do this?
Whether or not pro-forma sessions count is a grey area.
The argument that congress is in session because three people got together for 30 seconds and banged a gavel is extraordinarily weak imo.
Congress is officially in recess.
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GrilledCheez Title: The Lord's Balls
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Registered: 2006-3-22 11:06:32
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:01am
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Obama to appoint CFPB Chief and completely bypass congress for another +1 to Presidential Power |
Taliesihne posted:
Grymlo posted:
Yeah i understand all that bull but didnt they use some procedural bullshit to keep them in session so Obama couldnt do this?
Whether or not pro-forma sessions count is a grey area.
The argument that congress is in session because three people got together for 30 seconds and banged a gavel is extraordinarily weak imo.
Congress is officially in recess.
That's silly. The whole thing is weak. Recess appointments are stupid end arounds of the constitution. Now this recess congress decided they'd follow the procedures to keep it form happening and obama did it anyway. How anyone can defend it is beyond me. Especially since I KNOW you liberals would have been brandishing the constitution and gnashing teeth if Bush had done the same thing.
I guess what I don't get is whether anyone actually believes in checks and balances and self rule anymore, or if literally all anyone cares about is when the other guys are abusing power.
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Grymlo  Posts: 415
Registered: 2002-4-30 05:51:06
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Date Posted:
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Obama to appoint CFPB Chief and completely bypass congress for another +1 to Presidential Power |
Yeah that sounds like bullshit.
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Taliesihne Title: Wind on the Deep Waters
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Registered: 2004-2-19 04:47:59
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1/1/00 12:01am
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Obama to appoint CFPB Chief and completely bypass congress for another +1 to Presidential Power |
How is something that is specifically authorized by the constitution an end run around it 
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Koneg posted it earlier, but here it is:
Article II, Section II of the US Constitution posted:
The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.
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GrilledCheez Title: The Lord's Balls
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Obama to appoint CFPB Chief and completely bypass congress for another +1 to Presidential Power |
Taliesihne posted:
How is something that is specifically authorized by the constitution an end run around it
Because it's an end run around the spirit of an appointment. The article in question is meant to allow an appointment in cases where a vacancy comes up out of session. It's not intended to be a political tool for when you can't get congress to approve an appointment.
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Taliesihne Title: Wind on the Deep Waters
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Obama to appoint CFPB Chief and completely bypass congress for another +1 to Presidential Power |
Your argument doesn't make any sense.
Recess appointments have been used this way since the very first president. The language is enshrined in the constitution.
By screed and by practice, there is nothing abnormal about what Obama is doing.
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GrilledCheez Title: The Lord's Balls
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Registered: 2006-3-22 11:06:32
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Date Posted:
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Obama to appoint CFPB Chief and completely bypass congress for another +1 to Presidential Power |
Except that congress is not in recess. And whether or not it has been done int he past is irrelevant to the question of whether it is an abuse of power. I'm sorry you didn't comprehend what I said though. I doubt that's a new problem for you.
Just remember Talie that you are as thoughtless when it comes to dems abusing power as Fred is with repugs. Grats on that.
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Taliesihne Title: Wind on the Deep Waters
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Obama to appoint CFPB Chief and completely bypass congress for another +1 to Presidential Power |
Lol. I've been pretty outspoken over my views of Obama's abuse of executive power. I just don't think it's worse because he's suddenly doing the same thing his predecessors were.
But doing something that is directly backed by constitutional language and has been used the exact same way as the framers themselves did is not on that list.
It's always fun to watch you wander into ad-hom land. You only do it when you are losing and you are pretty bad at it. 
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GrilledCheez Title: The Lord's Balls
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Registered: 2006-3-22 11:06:32
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Obama to appoint CFPB Chief and completely bypass congress for another +1 to Presidential Power |
Your self image on this is awful. You are a completely mindless sheep for dems. You should ask anyone here. Not recognizing your own stupid is the surest way to keep it. You can believe I am just lashing out if you want. I am trying to be helpful.
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