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GrilledCheez  Title: The Lord's Balls
Posts: 1,060
Registered: 2006-3-22 11:06:32
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I always see the same things said about class balance before games come out:
We want class A to have:
stun
mez
dual wield
stealth
ranged damage
high dodge
etc
We want class B to have:
Sword
shield
taunt
But we will make sure both can tank content and be desirable tanks in a group. Why does that even seem like a good idea?
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Sin_of_Onin Posts: 1,307
Registered: 2005-6-29 08:21:12
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Right now the Warrior is just gimp. I have yet to see a dev team really get a firm grasp of balance while also offering a large number of unique abilities.
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Elocism  Title: Pseudonym
Posts: 787
Registered: 2002-5-3 01:50:00
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balance is stupid, and should be unnecessary
i blame pvp
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Sgian_Dubh  Posts: 446
Registered: 2003-4-7 10:19:52
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I blame the class archetypes.
Why are MMO's stuck on this nonsense?
Are MMO players just too lazy or stupid to put some thought and effort into direct character development?
Skill trees need to be nixed as well.
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Taliesihne Title: Wind on the Deep Waters
Posts: 1,117
Registered: 2004-2-19 04:47:59
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Designers aren't developers.
That's where the problem lies. Imo.
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AzureTyger Title: Awesome
Posts: 462
Registered: 2002-4-1 15:49:04
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Stealth is just a terribad mechanic for MMOs and will always just bring out the worst type of min/maxing adolescents.
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Cawlin Posts: 1,759
Registered: 2005-2-22 07:58:42
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GrilledCheez posted:
I always see the same things said about class balance before games come out:
We want class A to have:
stun
mez
dual wield
stealth
ranged damage
high dodge
etc
We want class B to have:
Sword
shield
taunt
But we will make sure both can tank content and be desirable tanks in a group. Why does that even seem like a good idea?
Devs and dev teams are just as subject to bias and shortsightedness as players are. If you're talking about WoW, it's been particularly bad through the history of the game, how the various class biases have played out - not as bad as DAOC, but bad nonetheless.
AzureTyger posted:
Stealth is just a terribad mechanic for MMOs and will always just bring out the worst type of min/maxing adolescents.
Totally agreed. Stealth classes do nothing but hurt a game.
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Sin_of_Onin Posts: 1,307
Registered: 2005-6-29 08:21:12
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Designers have to be smart about choosing a targeted play style for a class and spec. The problem is when they want the best of all worlds and fail to establish a good pro con relationship between classes while also dumping a lot of abilities onto a class.
Stealth classes are fun and are not going anywhere.
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Sgian_Dubh Posts: 446
Registered: 2003-4-7 10:19:52
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Sin_of_Onin posted:
Designers have to be smart about choosing a targeted play style for a class and spec. The problem is when they want the best of all worlds and fail to establish a good pro con relationship between classes while also dumping a lot of abilities onto a class.
Stealth classes are fun and are not going anywhere.
So how about just dumping classes altogether?
I think the class structure that EVERY MMO uses/has used has played itself out.
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Ptilk Title: Creepy old pirate
Posts: 2,359
Registered: 2002-2-13 14:52:58
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MMO's cost a LOT of money to develop.
Money comes from corporations headed by idiots (only idiots think investing a LOT of money in an MMO is a good idea)
They control the purse strings and thus get to decide what actually gets into the game.
New is a bad thing in the minds of these idiots (see Hollywood for proof of this factoid)
So they do exactly the same game that everyone else has ever done.....with different names for the spraggons and a slightly different back story to avoid copyright infringement.
The end.
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