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Sin_of_Onin  Posts: 1,307
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It is not just that funding is not equal but property taxes in poor areas tend to result in a regressive tax structure and large economic incentives to segregate based on income.
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Cawlin Posts: 1,759
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Yukishiro1 posted:
Cawlin posted:
Yukishiro1 posted:
edit: Also, back on the subject of funding. Overall funding levels are not a problem. But the distribution often is. The American public school funding system tends to give more money to districts with rich parents and less money to districts with poor parents. This is assinine. We are funneling more of our educational dollars to districts that don't need it and less to districts that really do need extra funding. Things have improved over the last 20 years but it is spotty and there are still plenty of states where the distribution is vastly unequal.
By what mechanisms are these funding discrepancies occurring? I thought it was based on population? Are the districts gerrymandered since school taxes are based on property value or something?
Traditional American public school funding has come mostly from local school district property taxes. The results are obvious and entirely inequitable but the incentives are also obvious to perpetuate the system.
In some states - like California - there have been serious efforts to remedy the issue, and funding has become more equal, although still not fully equal.
So it appears to be a circular issue:
Poor people generally are poorly educated and tend to congregate (for lack of a better word) in the same areas with low property values - or perhaps property values are low in those areas because so many poor are there, but either way, there are "poorer quarters". Meanwhile that district draws less money to fund education and pumps out another generation of poorly educated people who will continue to be poor and live in the poor sihtty place and on and on... another example of how generational welfare is a disservice to the recipients.
Incidentally, it's still possible to get into college from the worst ghetto high schools and improve your prospects for having a better life - if only the people around you wouldn't beat your ass and continually berate you and try to drag you down with them whenever you showed any sort of ability or drive whatsoever to perform academically...
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 3,243
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You're talking about individuals. Under local property tax funding as long as the poor areas stay poor the poor schools will stay underfunded relative to the rich schools, regardless of how their students end up doing in the future.
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Cawlin Posts: 1,759
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Yukishiro1 posted:
You're talking about individuals. Under local property tax funding as long as the poor areas stay poor the poor schools will stay underfunded relative to the rich schools, regardless of how their students end up doing in the future.
Well groups are made up of individuals. That's the simple truth of it.
Maybe states should make the pay rates more uniform across all the districts so that "poor" districts have as much of an opportunity to have good teachers in them as "rich" districts do.
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Sin_of_Onin Posts: 1,307
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In CT the rich people get property tax exemptions in the cities because there is no way they would stay if they had to pay the same rate as the poor people.
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ZigmundZag Title: Grammar Nazi
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reesescups posted:
Instead of measuring standardized tests, why not look at the success of students after school? You know, how they do in the real world with the stuff that was taught to them to prepare them for the real world?
I agree. College success should be the measure of prep classes. Workplace success should be the metric of vocational (now called "Career and Technical Education"  courses. Both should be the metric of elementary and middle school classes. But very little data is gathered on this. It's very difficult to determine how a student did after they leave the school.
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Cawlin Posts: 1,759
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Sin_of_Onin posted:
In CT the rich people get property tax exemptions in the cities because there is no way they would stay if they had to pay the same rate as the poor people.
Wat?
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Sin_of_Onin Posts: 1,307
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Well not a full exemption but a reduction.
Basing school funding on property taxes creates an economic incentive that pits everyone against the poor. The result is cities that erode from the inside out as people flee over the border to the suburbs and then in turn put up barriers to the suburbs to protect them.
The mansion tax break is a result of the rich threatening to simply leave and taking their property taxes with them. The rich are willing to pay a lot but not the same percentage as the poor who really have no choice.
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Cawlin Posts: 1,759
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Property taxes are a terrible model to use to pay for school anyway.
In reality the property tax is completely inversely proportional to the burden on services.
Taxes that go towards schools need to be handled in a more homogenous way across a state and the nation.
The bottom line though is that you will still have teachers who stop wanting to work in the sihtty neighborhood schools and who will move out to the suburbs, just like you have now.
Putting more iPads in ghetto city schools isn't going to change siht.
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Cawlin posted:
Property taxes are a terrible model to use to pay for school anyway.
I agree. It's unreal the amount I have to pay.
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