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Taliesihne  4 stars
Title: Wind on the Deep Waters
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Registered: 2004-2-19 04:47:59
Too bad he's gonna have to do it again.

I wish there was a way to fix women that are broken in this way, always so heartbreaking to hear about.

 

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Phlegm573  3 stars
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Registered: 2002-6-12 17:43:34
Taliesihne posted:

Couldn't answer the poll though - he's not guilty of a crime. I have issues using innocent in this case.



I meant from the legal standpoint.

What I find interesting is that a zealous prosecutor could make his prima facie case for murder or manslaughter against Ed in this case. He had the means, the motive, and the opportunity. He had the murder weapon (alcohol) as well as the guilty intent. No, the victim is not exactly a charitable figure but, if Ed had pulled out a revolver and shot him, I think most people would say he is guilty of murder or manslaughter.

 

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Sansfear  3 stars
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At first glance, I don't think he's guilty of anything, but then I started wondering about the liability of bar owners and restaurants when they knowingly give alcohol to drunks and the drunk goes out and kills themselves or someone else.

If a bar owner let someone drink themselves to death, they would probably be charged.

Is it different for individuals vs businesses?
Onslaught.  4 stars
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Registered: 2001-2-13 13:46:37
Even if some prosecuting attorney and judge were crazy enough to take him to trial, there is no jury on earth that would convict him.

 

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Taliesihne  4 stars
Title: Wind on the Deep Waters
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Phlegm573 posted:

I meant from the legal standpoint.

What I find interesting is that a zealous prosecutor could make his prima facie case for murder or manslaughter against Ed in this case. He had the means, the motive, and the opportunity. He had the murder weapon (alcohol) as well as the guilty intent. No, the victim is not exactly a charitable figure but, if Ed had pulled out a revolver and shot him, I think most people would say he is guilty of murder or manslaughter.



It's Pandora's box. There's a bigger picture at play that keeps the court system at bay imo.

 

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Phlegm573  3 stars
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Registered: 2002-6-12 17:43:34
I think a lot of voters are basing their votes on the character of the victim.

A lot of murders, if not the majority, are carried out against victims of poor moral character such as rival drug dealers. It doesn't make it any less of a murder.

Edit: i'm also wondering what /tentacle or Baymeltdown have to say.

 

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Moe_Nox  4 stars
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Yes it does.

 

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Elkad  2 stars
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Registered: 2003-9-11 22:20:55
If he was doing anything other than enabling, I'd have a problem with it. Even just mixing Everclear into a lesser drink (making it stronger than the label said) would count as poisoning to me.


But just giving the guy a bottle isn't a problem. Character of the "victim" has nothing to do with it.

 

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__Bonk__  5 stars
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Anything an Outposter asks about murder means that the Outposter has already done the deed and is looking for a way of escaping justice

 

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Koneg  3 stars
Title: Evil Genius
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Registered: 2001-12-4 15:31:28
Unless he forced the guy to drink "Ed" would be no more guilty than the clerk at the liquor store or the bartender at the local watering hole.


The drunk is the one who decided to drink. Everything that occurred as a result of that drinking is the responsibility of the drunkard.


Case dismissed.


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