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sweeny_comodore  4 stars
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Registered: 2007-8-23 18:47:04
GrymmDAOC posted:

That's good steel then. Stainless steel = crap. The slim and training versions seem closer to historical weights. Still, those are some nice looking swords, and from I hear Fabri has a good rep.

Next you should get a Kreigsmesser!

http://api.ning.com/files/JLrT6YeSaC5h3JQX8h4aNaPXPgZvhgU-iWKeKkN23PSJ77Vg46C7IUv4BJYJ4OSBH9yZJOLnpyQjuIlFz7H0KlYF2XuUdSwv/mymessers003.jpg



spring steel is used in stage model reproductions and show pieces.
spring steel will not stand up to a real SS blade.

spring steel is what tape measures are made from.
it is a cheap low quality steel. i wouldnt even buy a spring steel blade for practice.

 

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NuEM  4 stars
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Registered: 2004-3-2 09:08:11
GrymmDAOC posted:

That's good steel then. Stainless steel = crap. The slim and training versions seem closer to historical weights. Still, those are some nice looking swords, and from I hear Fabri has a good rep.

Next you should get a Kreigsmesser!

http://api.ning.com/files/JLrT6YeSaC5h3JQX8h4aNaPXPgZvhgU-iWKeKkN23PSJ77Vg46C7IUv4BJYJ4OSBH9yZJOLnpyQjuIlFz7H0KlYF2XuUdSwv/mymessers003.jpg



Good to hear. That thing looks neat.

 

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GrymmDAOC  1 star
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Registered: 2001-12-6 13:04:16
sweeny_comodore posted:

zhengwu IS a swordsmith. they use traditional methods, i think.

they dont make reproductions. they make the real things.

i was directed to zhengwu by "experts".


"did not differ much" can be several ounces.

im assuming your estimate of 3lbs for a european sword is a little high.

id be suprised if most european swords weighed in over 2.5lb.

and that still doesnt change the fact that a katana is going to be a few ounces lighter and more manueverable than a eruopean sword as that is what it was designed to be.


this whole discussion is akin to arguing over shaolin, krav maga, karate, mui tai, etc being better than the rest.

the fact is, they are all slightly different, used differently and a master of any of them is going to beat a slightly less skilled practioner of any of the rest.

you really cant compare the different styles of swords or martial arts because they all work just as good and depend solely on your skill with said martial art, not the art itself.



I am not saying which one is better or worse. There is no best sword.


i am well aware of who mr. Zhengwu is. he is an excellent swordsmith. But unless mr. Zhengwu was around 400 years ago, he is not making historical swords..he is making replicas. And unless he is licensed by the japanese government, is using tamahagane steel and is producing the blade according to a very strict set of rules, he is making a Katana shaped object, and not an officially recognised katana.

 

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poetkiosk  2 stars
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Registered: 2002-3-17 04:37:03
So just to ask the obvious - why do you guys need swords?

 

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GrymmDAOC  1 star
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Registered: 2001-12-6 13:04:16
sweeny_comodore posted:

spring steel is used in stage model reproductions and show pieces.

spring steel will not stand up to a real SS blade.


spring steel is what tape measures are made from.

it is a cheap low quality steel. i wouldnt even buy a spring steel blade for practice.



Lol..stainless is crap. It shatters like glass. That's why swords are not made from it. Carbon steel is superior..that's why functioning replicas are made from it. That's why we can spar at high speed and not worry about our swords shattering.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjT4JepA-Vc


Now look carefully on Mr. Zhengwu's website..tell me what his sword blades are made from...


http://www.zhengwusword.com/zw/bladeconstruction.htm

 

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NuEM  4 stars
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Registered: 2004-3-2 09:08:11
@Poetkiosk: Can you please re-phrase that, Sir? I'm not sure I understand your question.

 

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GrymmDAOC  1 star
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Registered: 2001-12-6 13:04:16
poetkiosk posted:

So just to ask the obvious - why do you guys need swords?



Fortunately in a functioning democracy I don't need to justify such things to folks like yourself

 

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poetkiosk  2 stars
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Registered: 2002-3-17 04:37:03
do you collect them and put them on a wall or use them or just Larp with them?

 

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NuEM  4 stars
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I use them to deal with people asking funny questions.

 

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STFU LARPERS!

 

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