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sweeny_comodore  4 stars
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GrymmDAOC posted:

Actually, Katanas weighed about 3 pounds, the same as european longswords.



http://www.zhengwusword.com/zw/red.htm

how much does that katana weigh?


it weighs about half of the 3 pounds you say the longsword weighs.


or do you want to call them up and tell them their weights are wrong and they need to add another pound and a half?

 

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vn_nnanji  4 stars
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You guys have size issues.

 

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GrymmDAOC  1 star
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sweeny_comodore posted:

http://www.zhengwusword.com/zw/red.htm


how much does that katana weigh?


it weighs about half of the 3 pounds you say the longsword weighs.


or do you want to call them up and tell them their weights are wrong and they need to add another pound and a half?



You can make replicas weigh whatever you like. Modern replicas intended for cutting are often lighter than the weapons intended for fighting.


When in doubt go to the experts. Go to SBG sword forums or Sword Forums international where you can find swordsmiths, collectors and manufacturers and ask. They will tell you that historical European and Nihonto swords did not differ much in weight.

 

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Moe_Nox  4 stars
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'Swords'. heehee he said swords.

 

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NuEM  4 stars
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Would you say these are any good?

http://fabri-armorum.com/english/?id=mece-1apr.php

 

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GrymmDAOC  1 star
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I can't speak for the quality of the swords themselves, but the versions you showed me look to be heavier than they should be. Are they stainless steel?

 

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Yukishiro1  4 stars
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Katana are more elegant weapons but they are not very useful against armor and they break easily. European swords are probably more useful unless you have a lot of training.
NuEM  4 stars
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Well I'm a noob when it comes to these questions. On their site it says: "All our blades are made from high-grade spring steel type 14260.7". I have no idea what that means.

Further down it says: "Stainless steel is not used anywhere in the weapon and thus it becomes important to preserve and protect it against damp conditions."

Taken from here: http://fabri-armorum.com/english/?id=zbrane.php

They also have "SLIM" and "FEATHER" designs which are a bit lighter:


Fabri Armorum posted:

“SLIM” design

Because of heightened demand of lighter and better balanced swords we extend our selection by adding slimmer variant of blade design “SLIM”.

We tried to make this design as close to durability of the “BATTLE” variant as possible. Thickness of profile is same as the “BATTLE” variant (i.e. 3 mm), but width of the blade is from 5 to 10 millimeters less than “BATTLE” variant (this applies to the whole length of the blade). The final product is approximately 100-150 gram lighter...

More about "Slim" blade design


“FEATHER” design

Every weapon of this design has a letter F embossed next to the manufacturer symbol.

For certain types of the weapons there is possibility to make a special light-weight blades of the “FEATHER” design. These blades are approximately 200 to 300 gram lighter than the standard “BATTLE” variant. It is also the best balanced variant of the blade. But there are some restrictions for using this blade...

 

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GrymmDAOC  1 star
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That's good steel then. Stainless steel = crap. The slim and training versions seem closer to historical weights. Still, those are some nice looking swords, and from I hear Fabri has a good rep.


Next you should get a Kreigsmesser!


http://api.ning.com/files/JLrT6YeSaC5h3JQX8h4aNaPXPgZvhgU-iWKeKkN23PSJ77Vg46C7IUv4BJYJ4OSBH9yZJOLnpyQjuIlFz7H0KlYF2XuUdSwv/mymessers003.jpg

 

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sweeny_comodore  4 stars
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Registered: 2007-8-23 18:47:04
GrymmDAOC posted:

sweeny_comodore posted:

http://www.zhengwusword.com/zw/red.htm

how much does that katana weigh?

it weighs about half of the 3 pounds you say the longsword weighs.

or do you want to call them up and tell them their weights are wrong and they need to add another pound and a half?



You can make replicas weigh whatever you like. Modern replicas intended for cutting are often lighter than the weapons intended for fighting.

When in doubt go to the experts. Go to SBG sword forums or Sword Forums international where you can find swordsmiths, collectors and manufacturers and ask. They will tell you that historical European and Nihonto swords did not differ much in weight.



zhengwu IS a swordsmith. they use traditional methods, i think.
they dont make reproductions. they make the real things.
i was directed to zhengwu by "experts".

"did not differ much" can be several ounces.
im assuming your estimate of 3lbs for a european sword is a little high.
id be suprised if most european swords weighed in over 2.5lb.
and that still doesnt change the fact that a katana is going to be a few ounces lighter and more manueverable than a eruopean sword as that is what it was designed to be.


this whole discussion is akin to arguing over shaolin, krav maga, karate, mui tai, etc being better than the rest.
the fact is, they are all slightly different, used differently and a master of any of them is going to beat a slightly less skilled practioner of any of the rest.
you really cant compare the different styles of swords or martial arts because they all work just as good and depend solely on your skill with said martial art, not the art itself.

 

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