That is an old picture.

We cut that cactus down.

 

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The first point you make doesn't make sense and the US as a nation has HC costs that far exceed the rest of the world with very little to show for it. The direct cost to employees/employers is certainly a major factor but the overall cost to the economy is measured in % of GDP. The idea that it wouldn't lower costs is not based on evidence but emotion.

If the US doesn't address the trade imbalance then we will have employment problems whether there is welfare or not which results in costs to the society.

By and large we try and have UHC without having it. This results in massive inefficiencies. You are basically arguing for a position (no HC for poor) that we will never have in the US. Your position if poorly informed and based on emotion.

Bottom line is that we need to fix trade and the fear of UHC is irrational nonsense.

 

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Believing that UHC fixes trade is the emotional argument. A year ago it was all about preexisting conditions. now it's employment. I respect your position and you are not wrong that the way we do it right now is stupid. Forcing hospitals to care for people who can't/won't pay is tardy. Letting them die is tardy. but all of this stems from no opportunity at the bottom, which has been coming for decades, so being all "ZOMG WE HAVE THIS NEW UNEXPECTED PROBLEM AND IT IS RUINING OUR HEALTHCARE SITUATION!!" is stoopid.

Whenever opportunity fails at the bottom you see this same cycle of welfare pushes from the dems. it just doesn't make anything better. Circling the wagons on UHC and acting like it is a competitive issue while you have unfettered open trading with countries that have trusts built into their gov't and outlaw unions is the height of missing the point.

You can't tax and welfare spend to opportunity for the poor

you can't tax and welfare spend to compete with china

and you certainly can't tax and welfare spend to give back all that the labor in this country wrested away from the monied interests for half a decade that we stupidly undermined by being asleep at the wheel.

Why aren't you pushing labor power and unions with the same force you are pushing UHC? Unions empower the lower classes welfare destroys them. but I know why you are arguing for what you are arguing for. because you are a big government liberal and you see government control and rationing as the answer to every problem. That will NEVER be a mainstream american value. Repackage it all you want, your record on domestic issues is pretty clear.

 

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promote from within.
force anyone hired at a company to start at the bottom regardless of existing education. you want to be CEO of macDs? heres a paper hat. take the fries out of the oil when that thing goes ding.

ill agree that a good portion of the employees are incapable of doing their immediate boss' job. theres also plenty of them who are perfectly capable of not only doing it but doing it better.
that is how we killed it.

cant afford college? heres a paper hat...


oh, youve already got money? here, have a whip to keep the peasants in line.


promoting from within gives the peasants hope. it pushes them to take more pride in their work, and, dare i say it, possibley even work for a little less if they know they will get to move up the ladder eventually.
as it is now adays, they get thrown into the dungeon, forced to work for crap, and usually dont even give two shits about a company that left them there to die.

 

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Well yeah. Did you notice that question Kjarhall asked, or were you just waiting until you can start talking again?

 

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And out the other side of his mouth, he claims he's here to debate.

I'm used to it, he does it all the time.

 

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The solution to the trade imbalance has to be more than fixing health care but there is no doubt that it is a massive inefficiency in our economy that will continue to drag down on our economy which will make us less competitive.


Union power just increases the cost of labor. There is also a long history of unions pushing up benefits beyond what makes sense in the labor market. Labor needs leverage but unions can cause a lot of problems when you are trying to make US labor more competitive.


In terms of trade there are some major issues, capital flows into the US, tax policy for corporations and the rich, HC policy, and regulatory inequalities.


I agree that UHC alone won't work and could make things worse because any benefit to labor can be undone by the other problems I pointed out. There is no doubt it is a key part to making our economy more efficient. this will not just impact trade but will help the US economy overall.


But hey I understand change is scary for some people and any UHC system relies on politicians making good decisions. Obviously a risk but HC is already in the hands of politicians last time I checked. Teh group that will be the most impacted by UHC are those who work.

 

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