Jobs trickling down is what 'your' policy (which is what we are actually doing) is supposed to do. So we should just tell people to be more patient and at some point the wealthy (aka Job Creators) will start to trickle down some jobs.

Or alternatively we can spur demand by giving money to people to buy things (apparently Obama's plan in your words). In this case buy things like food, shelter, utilities... This will in effect give that money straight back to the wealthy and hence they will create jobs (because they are the job creators) and the jobs will start to trickle down...


Either plan/policy/etc is just giving more money to the wealthy, which in turn allows them to create jobs. Or are you saying the wealthy aren't actually job creators? I'm pretty sure FoxNews said the wealthy were the Job Creators, so it must be true...

 

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Welfare or no welfare is mostly immaterial. Trade balance is far more important and the ability to get people working. Employment is far more dependent on the government's role in assuring a healthy export market than welfare. The welfare of the poor is also more dependent on that.

But people will still bitch and moan about UHC because they are stupid.

 

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The problem I have with your UHC argument is twofold.

1) it is a circular argument. if the gov't would have been doing the right things then wages would have risen and somewhat kept pace with health costs. Therefore your "crisis" is as much a symptom of the overall problem than a contributor to it.

2) health costs as a percentage of total employee costs are still less than 10 percent. That is hardly the competitive gap between us and emerging markets.

it would absolutely help, but it is at best a bandaid. it would not spur wage growth. It would not spur business development, and depending on how you paid for it it might hurt it.

plus if the main issue you are complaining about is total cost for healthcare. Giving it to everyone and inviting all the waste of gov't administration would vastly raise those costs. Even more than they would go up naturally.

the wage and employment issue is a demand issue.

more welfare is nowhere near the best answer IMO, even though it might help some in the near term.

 

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I know for a FACT that many of you have no idea what real poverty looks like today. Most of you are far removed. Its obvious when you type..

I'm lucky to have one side of my family that lives in a mix of trailer parks and suburbia with another that lives in multiple houses, apartments, villas, farms, etc. all over the world.

 

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Real poverty doesn't live in a trailer park.

 

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You didn't answer the question. What would you do?

 

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according to the current theory around here, if you start paying the poor millions of dollars theyll work harder than anyone youve ever seen and create jobs out of their own ass for them to do.

 

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You're right, since foreclosure some of the neighbors don't live in the trailer park anymore. Unless you're going to argue that real poverty doesn't exist in America at all

My point is, it's easy to hate on something like food stamps when nobody you know has ever relied on them. Or think that health care shouldn't be all about profit when you've known people in desperate need of care who can't afford it. When these things are no longer abstract ideas happening to 'people' somewhere but a real 'person' in your own life, your perspective changes. Real life and real poverty isn't what conservatards and co. on the outpost say it is.

 

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Money moves towards money like matter moves towards matter. If you have a weight and want it to do work you have to first lift it up. If you want money to do work you have to "lift it up", which means to move it to places where it's far away from other money and then "make it run the gears" as it flows back.

In an economy the state of lowest "energy" is when all money is concentrated among a small group of people.

 

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I think you are babbling about shit I don't care about.

You said we don't know 'Real Poverty' - as if only the poverty YOU know about is real and everyone else's poverty is 'fake' poverty... Well, if you want to talk about 'REAL' poverty - that doesn't exist in a trailer park.










This is just lazy white people that have been filtered out of society because they are too dumb to get/keep a job or simply have no local job opportunities.

 

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