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Modeeb  4 stars
Title: A Ghost In The Machine
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If we can then what does this relationship mean?

 

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Typhis1  1 star
Title: Raging Alcoholic?
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Known Unknowns

 

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Coriolus  3 stars
Title: Outpost Ice Mexican
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What movies was the from again?

 

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Typhis1  1 star
Title: Raging Alcoholic?
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Coriolus posted:



What movies was the from again?



The Boondocks on adult swim. Charlie Murphy and Samuel L Jackson are in several episodes as Gin Rummy (Rumsfeld) And Ed Wuncler III (Bush Jr.)

 

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_Enkidu_  2 stars
Title: Zen Badger
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Registered: 2001-12-24 05:02:15
Science actually does this very thing on a regular basis, Modeeb. As onlotology increases new data is discovered which calls into question earlier theories and natural laws. Good examples of this are Newtonian gravity being shredded by Eistein's space-time and the need for dark matter/energy to describe the ever increasing expansion of the universe. So our previously known states for gravity and cosmology became unknowns. We understand space-time better now, but it took decades before it was tested. We still don't even know what dark energy/matter are, those are just placeholder names for an unknown.

 

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Modeeb  4 stars
Title: A Ghost In The Machine
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"The ideal or ultimate aim of philosophy and science is Truth. But, truth has no other meaning than that of the reduction of the plurality of phenomena to an essential unity-of facts to laws, of laws to principles of principles to essence or being. All search for truth postulates its existence, i.e. fundamental unity of the multiplicity of phenomena in the world. Without this unity nothing would be knowable. How could one proceed from the known to the unknown- and this is indeed the method of progress in knowledge-if the unknown had nothing to do with the known? if the unknownhad no relationship with the known and was absolutely and essentially a stranger to it?" from Letter I The Magician, in Meditations on the Tarot a Journey into Christian Hermeticism

[This was my morning meditation from my lectio ( or reading).

[In its simplest sense I am putting a lot of words to: "All is One." You may take exception to some of the words, e.g. truth, reduction, essence. But the heart is without unity, nothing is knowable.]

 

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_Enkidu_  2 stars
Title: Zen Badger
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Registered: 2001-12-24 05:02:15
'Truth' really poses no problem, unless you start dwelling on absolutes, then it becomes meaningless, which makes me wonder why people do it. Relative truth is easy to justify and define. Absolute truth is impossible to justify, or even identify, because the definition can't change. So what good are absolutes?

 

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Modeeb  4 stars
Title: A Ghost In The Machine
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Relativism falls on its own sword. If Absolute truth doesnt exist then this, itself, is an absolute.

 

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_Enkidu_  2 stars
Title: Zen Badger
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Relativism is all we can work with, absolutes are meaningless. This isn't to say they don't exist, but you can never accept that you found one as an absolutist. Upon finding an absolute you'd never know it. This is an unsolvable problem for an absolutists. It would mean you'd have to stop making the comparison checks required to identify an absolute, but then you'd never know for sure if it was the final 'truth.' So even if you find one, you have to continue searching forever for something else that doesn't exist believing that the absolute you found isn't the 'truth.'


However, from a relativist position you could find it and declare it the 'closest to the truth yet' and let that stand on it's own merits. This gives you functionality and a useful endpoint exemplar, where absolutists would always decry the found absolute truth as not being 'truthy' enough, when in fact it was.


This is why relativists are generally happier people. They can find something good and not regret that it isn't the best thing ever. To be happy an absolutist would have to deceive themselves in some way. How could they be happy knowing everything in their life sucks and could be so much better?


 

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Modeeb  4 stars
Title: A Ghost In The Machine
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Herein lies our conundrum: Our logic is limited. Truth is simultaneously the same AND different.

I do not necessarily see a mosaic, a plurality of unrelated worlds somehow fitting together (thesis). I see how this can be perceived. Or, do I unequivocally believe an ideal system exists, a unified organism (antithesis). I see a paradox. I also believe we will synthesize the two. I use analogies. I use this method because my belief system more intuitively proceeds from a fundamental Unity. Analogy is the aleph of methods for me.

 

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