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Friarspam  3 stars
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Registered: 2007-1-23 07:01:27
I like how so many people toss out the slavery issue like THEY were slaves.


We you a slave?

No?

STFU and move on whiner.

 

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Allstarslacker  3 stars
Posts: 757
Registered: 2006-5-23 20:09:28
Taliesihne posted:

Allright Cedricke, I'll bite - what defines liberal and conservative? Is it a set of values or is it a party label?

For example, if I told you that there was a party that believed


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The party favored states' rights and strict adherence to the Constitution; it opposed a national bank



Would you say that was a conservative or liberal party?



Most Republicans like to pretend that there wasn't a massive shift in Southern political alignments in the 60's.
Friarspam  3 stars
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Registered: 2007-1-23 07:01:27
Groucho48 posted:

There is no denying that the Democratic Party, in the South, was the home to racists and Jim Crow. Right up until LBJ passed the Civil Rights Act and almost all those Democrats became Republicans.



Yes, LBJ the "great civil rights" advocate. Who was it that FOUGHT against the Civil Rights Act when Eisenhower's administration was trying to push it? Why good old LBJ! Then when it was the politically expedient thing to do HE acts like it's "champion".

What a crock acting like LBJ was some kind of saint. He was a jerk and a racist.

 

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__Bonk__  5 stars
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Who cares what his motives where. LBJ did great things for Civil Rights in this country. He got massive amounts of leglislation passed which helped this nation. If not for Vietnam he would be listed as one of this nations greatest presidents

 

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Taliesihne  4 stars
Title: Wind on the Deep Waters
Posts: 1,117
Registered: 2004-2-19 04:47:59
Allstarslacker posted:

Most Republicans like to pretend that there wasn't a massive shift in Southern political alignments in the 60's.



Democrats don't like their political history all that much either.

At the time of the Civil War and right after, the Democratic Party resembled the Republican party of today and vice versa.

But yes, Republicans do forget the shift in the South after Civil Rights and the use of the Southern Strategy.

 

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Cedricke
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Registered: 2002-1-13 19:10:25
Tali posted:

Allright Cedricke, I'll bite - what defines liberal and conservative? Is it a set of values or is it a party label?



In my opinion, it's based on a set of values. Both parties are pretty well sucking at most everything they do and they are stuck in the muck that is politics and partisanship at this point.


I'm all for smaller government, state's rights and an adherence to the Constitution and I consider myself a Conservative. This is not to say that there are not Liberals that believe in the same things. We just have different roads we think we need to go down to achieve those goals. I have no problem in giving 'hand-ups' to folks who really need it. Problem there is that we have a generational 'hand-outs' issue related to welfare and government entitlements. I think the sooner we as a nation realize that we aren't supposed to be, nor can we ever be, successful in making everyone happy the better off we will all be. Our country has risen to the heights we have due to individual vision and effort for the most part with very little if any government intervention. We will never be perfect, but we should certainly be able to do a damn sight better than we are currently.


Our Declaration of Independence really states it best for me. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."


I see no where in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights or the Declaration of Independence that states that I should have to bust my hump so that the government can take the lion's share of my income in order to support folks who are simply lazy or feel that they are entitled for some reason or another to benefit from my efforts. I am not now nor have I ever been a bigot or a racist, but instead have endeavored to judge folks by the content of their character regardless of the color of their skin. And frankly am pretty sick of the perpetuation of the 'Racist' claims that are so easily bandied about today. We need to be able to agree to disagree and be civil in our discourse and simply forget about color.


For as much trash is talked here around the OP and the nation, I truly believe that both Liberals and Conservatives are alot more alike that we'd like to admit. We want what's best for our nation and it's citizenry. We simply have different ideas about what those ends are and how to achieve them.


Civil discourse and compromise are what's needed. Not more name-calling and yelling like a bunch of third graders. And certainly not 'more' government, in my opinion.


I'm just sayin'....


 

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Groucho48  3 stars
Posts: 821
Registered: 2003-10-22 03:00:14
Friarspam posted:

Groucho48 posted:

There is no denying that the Democratic Party, in the South, was the home to racists and Jim Crow. Right up until LBJ passed the Civil Rights Act and almost all those Democrats became Republicans.



Yes, LBJ the "great civil rights" advocate. Who was it that FOUGHT against the Civil Rights Act when Eisenhower's administration was trying to push it? Why good old LBJ! Then when it was the politically expedient thing to do HE acts like it's "champion".

What a crock acting like LBJ was some kind of saint. He was a jerk and a racist.



The Civil Rights Act was the political thing to do???




As LBJ, himself, put it at the time... We've (Democrats) have lost the South for a generation.

Was he a saint? No. There are no saints in politics. Even Ron Paul isn't a saint. Did he have a massive influence on the passage of one of the most important bills of the 20th century? You betcha.

I recommend Robert Caro's biography of LBJ. It's another massive effort. It certainly doesn't paint over all his faults, but, one of it's threads is LBJ's slow movement from a typical Texas redneck to a more nuanced person who believed that civil rights for everyone was good for everyone and good for the country.

From one of the all time greatest political speeches...


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My first job after college was as a teacher in Cotulla, Texas, in a small Mexican-American school. Few of them could speak English, and I couldn't speak much Spanish. My students were poor and they often came to class without breakfast, hungry. And they knew, even in their youth, the pain of prejudice. They never seemed to know why people disliked them. But they knew it was so, because I saw it in their eyes. I often walked home late in the afternoon, after the classes were finished, wishing there was more that I could do. But all I knew was to teach them the little that I knew, hoping that it might help them against the hardships that lay ahead.

And somehow you never forget what poverty and hatred can do when you see its scars on the hopeful face of a young child. I never thought then, in 1928, that I would be standing here in 1965. It never even occurred to me in my fondest dreams that I might have the chance to help the sons and daughters of those students and to help people like them all over this country.

But now I do have that chance -- and I'll let you in on a secret -- I mean to use it.

And I hope that you will use it with me.

This is the richest and the most powerful country which ever occupied this globe. The might of past empires is little compared to ours. But I do not want to be the President who built empires, or sought grandeur, or extended dominion.

I want to be the President who educated young children to the wonders of their world.

I want to be the President who helped to feed the hungry and to prepare them to be tax-payers instead of tax-eaters.

I want to be the President who helped the poor to find their own way and who protected the right of every citizen to vote in every election.

I want to be the President who helped to end hatred among his fellow men, and who promoted love among the people of all races and all regions and all parties.

I want to be the President who helped to end war among the brothers of this earth.

And so, at the request of your beloved Speaker, and the Senator from Montana, the majority leader, the Senator from Illinois, the minority leader, Mr. McCulloch, and other Members of both parties, I came here tonight -- not as President Roosevelt came down one time, in person, to veto a bonus bill, not as President Truman came down one time to urge the passage of a railroad bill -- but I came down here to ask you to share this task with me, and to share it with the people that we both work for. I want this to be the Congress, Republicans and Democrats alike, which did all these things for all these people.

Beyond this great chamber, out yonder in fifty States, are the people that we serve. Who can tell what deep and unspoken hopes are in their hearts tonight as they sit there and listen. We all can guess, from our own lives, how difficult they often find their own pursuit of happiness, how many problems each little family has. They look most of all to themselves for their futures. But I think that they also look to each of us.

Above the pyramid on the great seal of the United States it says in Latin: "God has favored our undertaking." God will not favor everything that we do. It is rather our duty to divine His will.

But I cannot help believing that He truly understands and that He really favors the undertaking that we begin here tonight.

 

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