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Sin_of_Onin  4 stars
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Actually our effective tax rates vary greatly by town but if you add them all up you would have a much better picture of just how progressive taxation in the US is.

 

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eodoll  4 stars
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I pay around 50% in taxes
IMHO  4 stars
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I pay 30 to 35%.... I need to get a different CPA.

 

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Yukishiro1  4 stars
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Registered: 2002-9-20 23:52:57
Scarne posted:

Don't be dumb.



Haha no kidding.


This is like a Sweeney post or something it's so bad.
Sansfear  3 stars
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Registered: 2008-8-31 05:04:52
I should have said 87%, not 97%. Here is how I calculated it (I'm not quoting anyone, I was just looking at the IRS data, feel free to check it yourself).

Open up the Excel file in the link. This is the 2009 data from the IRS.

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/09in11si.xls

Look at column S.

This is the total income tax paid as a percent of taxable income (do we agree that this is the effective tax rate?) This does not show the effective tax rate of individual filers, but of the group as a whole. Individuals within each group will vary widely in their effective rate.

The effective rate hovers around 10% for all taxpayer groups up to 100K.

<5K 11.9%
5-10K 10.2%
10-15K 6.8%
15-20K 6.6%
20-25K 8.7%
25-30K 9.7%
30-40K 10.0%
40-50K 10.6%
50-75K 11.6%
75-100K 12.3%
ROMNEY 13.9%
100-200K 16.3%

Now look at column C. This is the percent of total returns for each income group.

If you sum the total % of returns for all taxpayers up to 100K, you get 87.6%.

You can try and argue semantics, but those are the numbers.
Yukishiro1  4 stars
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Registered: 2002-9-20 23:52:57
Doesn't include payroll tax, therefore useless. When you include payroll tax Romney pays about the same % as average Americans, despite making about 250x as much as them.


If your great argument is that Romney earns 250x the average salary and pays the same % in federal income taxes, go you I guess?
theredkay1  3 stars
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Registered: 2008-5-16 10:37:09
Why are we leaving out SS and Medicare taxes? Sales taxes? Property taxes?


What is the point of arbitrarily choosing some taxes and ignoring others?


Why not arbitrarily choose income sources too? If we just compare income earned from janitorial services, Romney is a pauper compared to all the janitors in the US....and even though Romney's income is $0, he has a tax rate around 14%. Whats the deal with that?
Kjarhall  3 stars
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Registered: 2002-3-1 15:47:21
So he pays more than 87% of Americans and makes more than... ~98% of Americans? And this is supposed to defend the argument? Might want to rethink that one.

 

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Scarne  4 stars
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Registered: 2001-7-23 15:24:34
Kjarhall posted:

So he pays more than 87% of Americans and makes more than... ~98% of Americans?


Romney is in something like the top 0.001%. So he makes more than 99.999% of Americans.

He needs to work on getting into the six sigma group!

 

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ZigmundZag  4 stars
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Scarne posted:

He needs to work on getting into the six sigma group!

Wouldn't that be why he's running for President?

 

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