hahah either I guess. Tons of people were saying they should be in DC, that they would support them if they were in DC because that's where they should be.

They occupied DC and crickets all around...

 

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A system of wholly labor based politics and labor power centers is at least as frightening to me as the one in which we're living now.

There needs to be balance and PROPER regulation over it all in order for the economics of it all to work. Obviously the present scenario is not acceptable, but doing a full 180 is not acceptable either. The issue with "labor based politics" is that "Labor" basically wants to be treated like a corporation and in the end, we'd be be no better off than than if we were in any other wholly fascist economy.

 

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The Tea Party is busy getting people elected.

 

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I dont think so.

heheh cawlin is almost there.

Nobody here believes that labor should be the only political power in the country Cawlin. but there is no reason that the labor of a company shouldn't be just as powerful within that company or within the country as the capital holders. And even if you believe philosophically that capital holders deserve more power than labor then labor could still have more power than they do now and fall well below the power that capital holders have, which i nearly absolute in our current system.

 

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Paul made a funny...

 

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I am not arguing that if they were treated as equals it would be fascism. I am arguing that if labor were treated as superior to capital owners it would be AS BAD AS fascism (it would be socialism and as many others have stated, it would be afwul, as bad as, if not worse than the current fascist system).

 

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I don't live in DC or the area so they won't inconvenience me. So I support them 100%!!

 

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Perhaps nobody posting in this thread believes that, but certainly many labor union champions do in fact believe that all power should be focused on them and capital holders should be beholden to labor as a facilitator to see their capital realized into product and profit.

It's kind of like a company:

Manufacturing thinks its the most important part because without them, there would be no product to sell.

Marketing thinks its the most important part because without them, there would be nobody to sell product to.

QA thinks its the most important part because without them, the product would not meet specifications.

etc.


Capital holders think they are the most important because without them there would be no business entity.

Labor think they are the most important because without them there would be nobody to make the product.

and so on...


The reality is that all aspects are important and within a company (or a nation) those forces need to work TOGETHER towards the common goal in order for EVERYONE to be happy.

Presently, the power of capital holders is, as you state, near absolute in our system - this is unacceptable.

It would be JUST as unacceptable if not more so if the pendulum swung too far in the other direction to where the power of "labor" became near absolute. That is the point I'm trying to make.

"Labor" needs to be more empowered, I am not denying that, and I wholly support that. I don't want to get into the argument of which "deserves" to have more power, but yes I believe labor needs more power than it has presently. Further, those working NOT in a labor union need to be empowered as well to the same degree. Ideally we would not need labor unions (but that of course will never happen).

 

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Exactly.
I am very glad they finally figured out where to direct their angst, and have now looked to D.C.
Step 2 will be for OWS to squash the liberal soundbytes against the tea party and to unite forces with them.

Lemme know when their movement has matured to this point.

 

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