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ZigmundZag  4 stars
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 Date Posted: 1/1/00 12:02am Subject: Whacky sun theory..
Coriolus posted:
Yes this is all true but are mainstream scientists reluctant to bring forth theories that don't conform to currently accepted theories? I believe this is the case and is widespread within research circles of academia.

Are you kidding? Any person who made a life's work of science would love to break the paradigm. You don't really become famous outside of the scientific community unless you actually change the way we look at the world. But they also know that they're not going to get there by creating wild scenarios that can't be proven.

 

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tenkly  4 stars
Title: Best looking Outposter.
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Registered: 2007-3-7 22:50:38
 Date Posted: 1/1/00 12:02am Subject: Whacky sun theory..
Coriolus posted:
Scarne posted:
Coriolus posted:
Not sure why you don't understand that, I am simply using your analogy to describe what mainstream science could be doing to us..

w/e ..pointless.


Mainstream science:
1) Runs experiments to confirm hypothesis. Other scientists are able to rerun the experiments to confirm the results or come up with other experiments that help to confirm the hypothesis is other ways.
2) Figures out ways the hypothesis can be proven false.
3) Makes predictions that can come true as more data comes in.
4) Alters theories as new evidence comes in.

Mainstream science isn't deliberately hiding anything. But it isn't enough just to come up with a new idea to challenge it. Like in business, ideas are easy to come up with. People come up with all sorts of ideas every day; the issue is always in the execution of the ideas and not simply just dreaming about them. For mainstream science, you need to at least come up with plans of how your idea could be proven to even think of being able to attract research money.



Rational thought! Ahhhh.. thank you Scarne.

Yes this is all true but are mainstream scientists reluctant to bring forth theories that don't conform to currently accepted theories? I believe this is the case and is widespread within research circles of academia.

 

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ZigmundZag  4 stars
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 Date Posted: 1/1/00 12:02am Subject: Whacky sun theory..
Think of it this way - Tenkly took your idea and tried to turn it into a testable hypothesis. It's the scientific method in action!

 

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Coriolus  3 stars
Title: Outpost Ice Mexican
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Registered: 2002-5-17 06:20:48
 Date Posted: 1/1/00 12:02am Subject: Whacky sun theory..
Idiot there are many cases in history where individuals have come up with theories later to have been proven correct but were exposed to much ridicule for years even sometimes until their death before they were proven correct.

Tenkly even you must have learned about these scenarios in your limited ability to comprehend?

example 1: Earth being round..

You guys are special!

 

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tenkly  4 stars
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Registered: 2007-3-7 22:50:38
 Date Posted: 1/1/00 12:02am Subject: Whacky sun theory..
You said it's widespread.

now it's " well it did happen a FEW times, right??? "

A few times != widespread

 

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Coriolus  3 stars
Title: Outpost Ice Mexican
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Registered: 2002-5-17 06:20:48
 Date Posted: 1/1/00 12:02am Subject: Whacky sun theory..
tenkly posted:
You said it's widespread.

now it's " well it did happen a FEW times, right??? "

A few times != widespread



No idea how many but it has happened plenty.

 

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Coriolus  3 stars
Title: Outpost Ice Mexican
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Registered: 2002-5-17 06:20:48
 Date Posted: 1/1/00 12:02am Subject: Whacky sun theory..
Here Tenkly, now stfu..

http://amasci.com/weird/vindac.html

Below is a list of scientists who were reviled for their crackpottery, only to be later proven correct. Today's science texts are dishonest to the extent that they hide these huge mistakes made by the scientific community. They rarely discuss the acts of intellectual suppression which were directed at the following researchers by their colleagues. And... after wide reading, I've never encountered any similar list.[1] This is very telling.

THE LIST: scroll down
To add: Gilbert Ling, John C. Lilly

Arrhenius (ion chemistry)
Alfven, Hans (galaxy-scale plasma dynamics)
Baird, John L. (television camera)
Bakker, Robert (fast, warm-blooded dinosaurs)
Bardeen & Brattain (transistor)
Bretz J Harlen (ice age geology)
Chandrasekhar, Subrahmanyan (black holes in 1930)
Chladni, Ernst (meteorites in 1800)
Crick & Watson (DNA)
Doppler (optical Doppler effect)
Folk, Robert L. (existence and importance of nanobacteria)
Galvani (bioelectricity)
Harvey, William (circulation of blood, 1628)
Krebs (ATP energy, Krebs cycle)
Galileo (supported the Copernican viewpoint)
Gauss, Karl F. (nonEuclidean geometery)
Binning/Roher/Gimzewski (scanning-tunneling microscope)
Goddard, Robert (rocket-powered space ships)
Goethe (Land color theory)
Gold, Thomas (deep non-biological petroleum deposits)
Gold, Thomas (deep mine bacteria)
Lister, J (sterilizing)
T Maiman (Laser)
"Concepts which have proved useful for ordering things easily assume so great an authority over us, that we forget their terrestrial origin and accept them as unalterable facts. They then become labeled as 'conceptual necessities,' etc. The road of scientific progress is frequently blocked for long periods by such errors." - Einstein
Margulis, Lynn (endosymbiotic organelles)
Mayer, Julius R. (The Law of Conservation of Energy)
Marshall, B (ulcers caused by bacteria, helicobacter pylori)
McClintlock, Barbara (mobile genetic elements, "jumping genes", transposons)
Newlands, J. (pre-Mendeleev periodic table)
Nott, J. C. (mosquitos xmit Yellow Fever)
Nottebohm, F. (neurogenesis: brains can grow neurons)
Ohm, George S. (Ohm's Law)
Ovshinsky, Stanford R. (amorphous semiconductor devices)
Pasteur, Louis (germ theory of disease)
Prusiner, Stanley (existence of prions, 1982)
Rous, Peyton (viruses cause cancer)
Semmelweis, I. (surgeons wash hands, puerperal fever )
Steen-McIntyre, Virginia (southwest US indians villiage , 300,000BC)
Tesla, Nikola (Earth electrical resonance, "Schumann" resonance)
Tesla, Nikola (brushless AC motor)
J H van't Hoff (molecules are 3D)
Warren, Warren S (flaw in MRI theory)
Wegener, Alfred (continental drift)
Wright, Wilbur & Orville (flying machines)
Zwicky, Fritz (existence of dark matter, 1933)
Zweig, George (quark theory)

 

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tenkly  4 stars
Title: Best looking Outposter.
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Registered: 2007-3-7 22:50:38
 Date Posted: 1/1/00 12:02am Subject: Whacky sun theory..
Noticed how all those don't sound as batshit crazy as aliens using the sun for a teleporter?

 

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Coriolus  3 stars
Title: Outpost Ice Mexican
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Registered: 2002-5-17 06:20:48
 Date Posted: 1/1/00 12:02am Subject: Whacky sun theory..
tenkly posted:
Noticed how all those don't sound as batshit crazy as aliens using the sun for a teleporter?



hahaha they did at the time though..

 

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tenkly  4 stars
Title: Best looking Outposter.
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Registered: 2007-3-7 22:50:38
 Date Posted: 1/1/00 12:02am Subject: Whacky sun theory..
also, a lot of those findings were probably not ridiculed and actually just didn't get accepted as there wasn't enough evidence to support it.

However skimming trough the list , a lot of it is biology related. I can see why people 100 years ago may not have the tools to support the theory.

But there's a huge difference between scientists not believing they was bacterias in deep cave/mines and aliens using the sun to abduct humans.


Some theories, I would give the benefit of the doubt. It's just that MOST of the one you bring up, are the one that are just full of

 

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