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Another stealing hypothetical
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paulg_68
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Registered: 2009-7-27 18:45:54
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Another stealing hypothetical
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You are waiting for a bus and notice your wallet is missing. You try to think of where it might be and then you remember that a guy bumped into you just a minute before. You suspect he may have lifted your wallet. You find him a block away. He's standing with his back to you and his backpack is partially unzipped. Inside, you can see your wallet. You know it's yours because you can even see your drivers license peaking out.
If you say something to the guy, you know he will bolt. You don't have your cell phone so you can't call the cops. You're fairly certain you could just reach in and take it.
Based on your personal definition of stealing (not the legal definition, yours personally), would it be stealing to take the wallet?
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Modeeb
Title: A Ghost In The Machine
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Registered: 2002-4-19 10:48:36
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Take the wallet and anything of value within grasp. Insert post it note which says Futz you!
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IMHO
Title: Official Outpost Greeter
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Registered: 2001-11-1 03:55:02
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Who cares? I bat the guy in the back of the head, when he hits the ground I would kick him a couple of times and then grab my wallet.
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Yukishiro1
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Registered: 2002-9-20 23:52:57
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No.
And that example is not the same as the other one.
Repossesing stolen property is not the same as stealing money from someone who owes you money but who didn't steal it in the first place.
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paulg_68
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Yukishiro1 posted:
No.
And that example is not the same as the other one.
Repossesing stolen property is not the same as stealing money from someone who owes you money but who didn't steal it in the first place.
Because your friend defrauded you instead of stealing? That makes a difference?
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Yukishiro1
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I'm not sure "defraud" is really a good word. It didn't sound like he never intended to pay you back in the first place.
But regardless, yes, it is different. Taking back stolen property forcibly from the thief is not morally equivalent to taking money someone owes you from them forcibly.
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IMHO
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God help us if Paul ever becomes a vegan. 
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Clackdor
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Registered: 2001-9-21 12:10:52
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paulg_68
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Yukishiro1 posted:
But regardless, yes, it is different. Taking back stolen property forcibly from the thief is not morally equivalent to taking money someone owes you from them forcibly.
I don't see a moral difference between theft and fraud.
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Yukishiro1
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The other hypotehtical didn't involve fraud.
If you want to make a third dumb hypothetical and debate whether fraud changes the issue feel free I guess but I'm not sure people are going to let you have another bite at the apple when you failed the first time.
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