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reesescups  4 stars
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dae_trist posted:

Its amazing how some people can be such utterly uniformed pond scum-like mental dwarves. Creationists need to have their citizenship revoked on account of not being of human intelligence.

Now Now - we have to give everyone a chance to catch up.

 

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Onslaught.  4 stars
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Corky_Aloof posted:

Had this evolutionary theory been true we would have uncovered fossilized versions of very early humans or other animals in odd looking evolving forms.

Fact is, science theorizes humans had early adaptive forms but all fossilized humans found suggest we suddenly appeared on earth with little or no variation from our human form today. Nothing excavated so far suggest humans evolved in such a way.



Not sure if stupid or just trolling...

 

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Aerlinthian  4 stars
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sweeny_comodore  4 stars
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Friarspam posted:

Bear with me on this.

Ok, so it seems the common consensus among the evolution theorists that somehow a bacteria or some other thing managed to come to life on the ball of lava. They cite the critters that can live and reproduce near underwater volcanoes.

Ok, let's say that there IS a bug that started it all, living in the hot conditions or maybe it came along afterwords when water formed.

It was a tiny bug...just a single celled organism. Uh, WHAT did it eat? I mean, there were no OTHER things for it to munch on. Maybe it ate water or dirt or chemicals. HOW did it get a digestive system? I mean, it was first, right? It's not like it "adapted" to the environment.

Now, let's zoom forward 8 gajillion years to when this thing suddenly turned into something else. WHAT did it eat? I mean, eventually this thing is going to be a fish, right? There had to be a first fish. WHAT did that thing eat? How did it reproduce? I mean, being the first fish and all is probably a cool thing, but it's not like there's a lot of action in the romance area when you're the ONLY one.

Hey, how did this fish (which had nothing to mate with or eat...although the first fish probably had a digestive system which it didn't need before...you get the idea) turn into OTHER kinds of fish? I'd also like to know, how did the first carp, shark, bluegill, tuna and etc EAT? I mean, they must have been pretty hungry and all. Since they "evolved", there had to be a "first one" of them, too. HOW did they fertilize their eggs?

Now, at some point the first fish becomes a frog or something and it has to eat too. Now, as we know, fish and animals can live on plants. Uh oh, another question. HOW did the thing that was "evolving into" all these fish, amphibians, reptiles, insects, other single celled organisms, mammals and birds.....wait for it....

HOW DID THEY TURN INTO PLANTS?! Did they "know" that they would need to feed the progeny of evolution that would eventually come along and crawl around on the ground (you know, that place where they weren't AT)? How did they "know to evolve" so that they could support the wide range of things such as omnivores, carnivores and herbivores? How did they manage to "evolve" into such tight nit, inter-being bio-systems? You know, like the lamprey or the flower and the bee...

I'd sure like all you guys that know so much answer all this stuff. Especially how the first "whatever" didn't starve to death. Or how a fish turned into a plant.



im sure you also wonder why monkeys arent still evolving in their cages at the zoo, right?


photosynthesis is a chemical reaction involving sunlight and other common environmental chemicals.
it doesnt need to evolve, it just kind of starts to happen when the right chemicals are mixed together.
eventually, as simple single celled chemical bags become more advanced, they start to develop the ability to directly absorb the needed chemicals right through the bag walls. this is called osmosis.

some of those chemical bags developed the ability to absorb one chemical while other absorbed other chemicals. one day, 2 cells discovered that they each excreted chemicals that the other needed so they started hanging out together or, maybe even, partially osmosifying one another untill they were indistinguishable from one another.
when one cell (read: chemical bag) split, the other one did too untill they started dividing as one single, complex, multibagged organism.


asking how chemicals evolved into higher, more complex chemicals seems like its an easy to understand process, but it seems that a lot of simpletons still dont really get it.
how did water, evolve into the multi-molecular chemical that it is? how did hydrochloric acid evolve and "learn" to consume other chemicals?
petroleum? thats a very complex chemical that seems almost impossible to evolve without some higher power designing it.


animals and plants are just big bags of multiple chemical reactions all going on at the same time.
stop reading into it and trying to make it be more than it really is

 

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illmyrin  3 stars
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eodoll posted:

Getting polymers to form is one thing... getting that to turn into "life" is another story and has yet to be demonstrated.



Who's to say life isn't just another "thing" like light and matter or gravity? A universal law of sorts. Just one more element in the mix. Our problem is we think our thoughts are more than what they are. As if we're here to "think" when "thinking" is just a side effect of language which ultimately traces it's roots back to "Food-get it".

 

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reesescups  4 stars
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sweeny_comodore posted:

stop reading into it and trying to make it be more than it really is

That doesn't leave enough left over for God to play with now does it...

 

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Aerlinthian  4 stars
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Anywho, I'm reminded of this. It's really pretty cool and might be some food for pondering stuff.

http://www.ted.com/talks/drew_berry_animations_of_unseeable_biology.html
Corky_Aloof  2 stars
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I pose a valid and critical question in the theory of evolution especially where humans are concerned. Instead of anyone offering answers all I hear are jokes and white noise.

Evolution suggests subtle changes over a long period of time. Starting off as organism A, gradually changing fundamentally over a long period of time into organism B, correct? Then much like stop motion photography where each picture cell changes slightly over a long distance of time, we should have seen evidence as such from such drastic transformations. Where are the early fossils of humans in ANY FORM OTHER THAN THE SEMBLANCE OF OUR CURRENT ANATOMY? I am not talking subtle changes such as skull structure or body mass. Where are these drastically different body forms we have supposedly evolved from?

Any honest answers? Or more white noise.

 

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reesescups  4 stars
Title: //Captain America
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Corky_Aloof posted:

Where are these drastically different body forms we have supposedly evolved from?

Prolly more white noise because that's either an incredibly stupid thing to say or a brilliant troll...

Can you elaborate a bit more in regards to what kind of fossils you are expecting to see? Do you mean fossils of primates before we branched off or are you talking some other types of fossils?

 

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Aerlinthian  4 stars
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You're apparently in denial of dead ends which is an answer you got several times already.

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