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sweeny_comodore  4 stars
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Registered: 2007-8-23 18:47:04
Corky_Aloof posted:

What I find most perplexing with evolutionists theories is the total absence of any consideration regarding human mental/intellectual capacity. The most profound difference between man and animal, yet it is ignored in favor of trivial clues such as a vitamin c gene. Our intellectual abilities are so radically different than anything before it, it begs the question...why?

Why did natural evolution evolve a completely new level of understanding exclusive to humans? For what purpose? Before anyone suggests it is merely an evolved set of survival tools no different than a scorpions stinger, I ask what is the practical application for the ability to appreciate art, reciprocate love, the practice of worship or even the contemplation of thought? Did natural evolution also intend for humans to overpopulate and have total dominion over the entire earth overshadowing all other species? We as humans seem to have broken the mold of how life on this planet evolves and prospers. Evolution is a pattern and I see no pattern where humans are concerned. It is illogical to assume Humans are of normal, natural consequence to evolution when we are so unorthodoxed from all other creations.



what makes you think the level of understanding is differnet or that much more evolved?
just because you can pick a booger and contemplate the awesomeness of said booger makes you a deeper thinker or more complex?
how much time do you devote to the complexity of smells in your front lawn? do you even have the brain power to comprehend such a large volume of data?
just because your focus is different doesnt it mean it is larger.
get over your arrogance and stop blaming god for your inabilities. he doesnt give a shit about you.

 

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Groucho48  3 stars
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The usual right wing thread. OMG!!! Things can't really be complicated, because I can't understand complicated. Therefore, anything too complicated for me to understand in 10 seconds has to be due to God. I know this is true because all the liberal arguments are called "theories" Heh...theories? That means it's made up by those elitists who actually spent years and decades studying that stuff. They get paid to do so, so, that proves anything they say is a biased lie.

 

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Crackdoc  1 star
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Registered: 2005-10-7 12:55:29
There are possibilities, as evidenced from sites like this -> http://www.lifesorigin.com/ ; the issue is choosing one that matches your personal degree of 'belief'.


Me, I could care less where we came from - I am more concerned with where the teeming masses are heading, and it seems to be down the drain.


 

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Moe_Nox  4 stars
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Amen Doc

 

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NuEM  4 stars
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Registered: 2004-3-2 09:08:11
feelips posted:

The Jellyfish species Turritopsis Nutricula is immortal.



Under what definition are they immortal? Using the right definition us humans are immortal too. Every single one of us has grown out of living cells that were once a part of our parents body. The chain of life has never been interrupted. Without looking it up that's probably similar to the kind of immortality that jellyfish enjoys.


feelips posted:

The platypus is an absurd looking collection of parts from many different species.



Animals living in the same environment can adopt similar features without one of them inheriting those features from the other.


feelips posted:

Species that have always been color blind can have bright multi-colored skin, fur, or scales.



Oh come on that one is just dumb.


feelips posted:

Some herbivores that have been prey to specific species of carnivores for countless generations have never evolved to be harder for that particular species to prey upon them.



Can you give an example? Btw just because some animal is being hunted by predators doesn't mean the selective pressure is big enough to cause major changes.


feelips posted:

Why have some species evolved so that the female kills the male after procreation?



The question is worded in a way that almost implies purpose. That's not how evolution works. Let's take a closer look.

The species we talk about is a predator. They hunt, kill and eat. (Not necessarily in that order.) And they have to mate. Often these animals are small and relatively simple. So their prey would be anything that moves and that is of a certain size. Like for example their own "partner". What happens when they eat their partner before they can mate? No procreation. This is some major selective pressure. So there will be ways in which they can avoid that. The ones who didn't died out. Maybe a certain rhythm in their movement. Maybe some pheromones. Whatever, the only thing that matters is that it works. They successfully mate. After this selective pressure no longer applies. So when the female eats the male there is no disadvantage for their offspring. In fact since it's a fairly good and nourishing meal for the mother it will likely give their offspring a little boost. That would act as pressure towards eating the male.


feelips posted:

Evolution can some times make as little sense to some as creationism does to others.



Only if you're lacking a decent understanding of it.

 

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Scarne  4 stars
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Registered: 2001-7-23 15:24:34
Corky_Aloof posted:

What I find most perplexing with evolutionists theories is the total absence of any consideration regarding human mental/intellectual capacity. The most profound difference between man and animal, yet it is ignored in favor of trivial clues such as a vitamin c gene. Our intellectual abilities are so radically different than anything before it, it begs the question...why?


Evolution doesn't select for intelligence, it selects for survival. Brains are very expensive calorie-wise so growing a brain bigger than the species needs is usually negatively selected against. We just got lucky that our brains got just big enough to be able to master fire which them provided lots of extra calories allowing a lot more brain growth.

And humans weren't the only smart species produced by evolution. There are others like Neanderthans and Homo floresiensis.

 

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Scarne posted:

We just got lucky that our brains got just big enough to be able to master fire which them provided lots of extra calories allowing a lot more brain growth.




Americans grow the biggest brains!

 

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