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eodoll  4 stars
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NuEM posted:

Corky_Aloof posted:

You seemed convinced we derived from apes because our DNA is similar? Well breaking news, we share DNA similarities with most animals of the earth from chickens to whales. Apes may be most similar, but there is still a distinct difference between the two and the correlation between the two drawn are simply hypothesis.



Really funny coincidence that we would be created with custom made DNA yet share endogenous retro-viruses that are distributed amongst it in a way that makes it look exactly as if we had a common ancestor with apes. God is such a kidder.



Well even creationists agree we have a common ancestor - God.
SirGarth  2 stars
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Evolution 101: Speciation

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/VSpeciation.shtml

 

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NuEM  4 stars
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It is not surprising many people have problems understanding this. I didn't properly learn what a species really is until after high school. Looking at it with through the eyes of set theory makes it obvious. Intuitively one would assume that "species" is an equivalence class, but it isn't. For example the "can procreate with" relation isn't necessarily transitive.

 

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feelips
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The Jellyfish species Turritopsis Nutricula is immortal.


The platypus is an absurd looking collection of parts from many different species.


Species that have always been color blind can have bright multi-colored skin, fur, or scales.


Some herbivores that have been prey to specific species of carnivores for countless generations have never evolved to be harder for that particular species to prey upon them.


Why have some species evolved so that the female kills the male after procreation?


Evolution can some times make as little sense to some as creationism does to others.

 

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Scarne  4 stars
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Corky_Aloof posted:

You seemed convinced we derived from apes because our DNA is similar? Well breaking news, we share DNA similarities with most animals of the earth from chickens to whales. Apes may be most similar, but there is still a distinct difference between the two and the correlation between the two drawn are simply hypothesis.


The fossil record of how species diverged matches the how much DNA has diverged. What a strange coincidence.

And some very strange coincidences in the DNA record itself. Virtually all mammals have the ability to create Vitamin C and thus don't require it as part of their diet the way humans do. One of the other species that doesn't is the chimpanzee. In both humans and chimps, the gene that makes Vitamin C has the exact same mutation that broke it. On the other hand, the guinea pig also cannot make Vitamin C. However, the mutation on the Vitamin C gene for the guinea pig is in a different location.

The most likely explanation for why humans and chimps can't make Vitamin C is that it was a common ancestor that had the mutation that broke it. But yeah, it could just be some designer having fun mutating the gene in the same spots in some seemingly related species and then in a different spot in a distantly related species.

 

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IMHO posted:





 

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Onslaught.  4 stars
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Btw... the whole "gradual change over time" thing... lol


Look in to Punctuated Equilibrium. kthx

 

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sweeny_comodore  4 stars
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what i find most interesting about discussions like these is that mankind thinks its special for some reason.


how do you know that trees dont share some form of airborn chemical as an external memory.
it has been proven that trees communicate over great distance through the use of airborne chemicals. they can warn each other of invading insects/diseases so that others can release antibodies in advance.
why is it so far fetched to think that they communicate in other ways as well?
is it only human arrogance? do we assume that they would want to try to communicate with us if they could? i know i woldnt want to communicate with most of you.

maybe they are trying to communicate with us but we dont speak their language and arent even trying to look for clues?
have you every tried to learn to speak in tree? how bout dolphin?
maybe its not so much a language barrier as it is an idea barrier. if the two languages and concepts for communications just arent compatible and we are trying all the wrong ideas to communicate then it will never happen.


and yet, every single one of you assumes that ours is the only possible form of "intelligent communication" available.
maybe its not the only one available but just the only one available to us.


and, no, im not corianus. im just pointing out flaws in your way of thinking and looking at things.
all of you assume and form base ideas from those assumptions.

 

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Corky_Aloof  2 stars
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What I find most perplexing with evolutionists theories is the total absence of any consideration regarding human mental/intellectual capacity. The most profound difference between man and animal, yet it is ignored in favor of trivial clues such as a vitamin c gene. Our intellectual abilities are so radically different than anything before it, it begs the question...why?

Why did natural evolution evolve a completely new level of understanding exclusive to humans? For what purpose? Before anyone suggests it is merely an evolved set of survival tools no different than a scorpions stinger, I ask what is the practical application for the ability to appreciate art, reciprocate love, the practice of worship or even the contemplation of thought? Did natural evolution also intend for humans to overpopulate and have total dominion over the entire earth overshadowing all other species? We as humans seem to have broken the mold of how life on this planet evolves and prospers. Evolution is a pattern and I see no pattern where humans are concerned. It is illogical to assume Humans are of normal, natural consequence to evolution when we are so unorthodoxed from all other creations.

 

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