This question right here is very telling and to me, is representative of the fundamental disconnect associated with the desire to disarm law-abiding Americans. The reporter's "logic" defied by the truth is not logic at all, and that person is so far down the rabbit hole that they actually, honestly don't understand that.

Those who favor disarming citizens believe that citizens are criminals. They are completely unable to even imagine that a citizen would do anything but suddenly become a rampaging murderer/rapist/robber. This inability to conceive of an otherwise law-abiding citizen as anything but a criminal waiting for a gun leads one to believe either a basic malfunction exists in the brains of those who think like this, or an admission of their own darkest desires.

I don't believe that there are that many people who actually are just a gun away from a life of crime, but I surely believe that there are that many people who lack the cognitive skills to separate the irrational fear and hype from the truth - hell, look at our elected politicians ffs.

The arguments from the Gun-Grabbersâ„¢ are disingenuous at their best, and the smear campaign has been in high gear for a few decades now. The foundations of their argument, the statistics of it, have been proven to be spurious and manufactured, almost out of thin air when they weren't purely intentionally misrepresented, but people still haven't gotten the message. Meanwhile day after day, the arguments of those who believe all Americans are criminals crumble a little bit more as evidence to the contrary mounts and comes to light.

Citizens being able to defend themselves leads to less crime, not more, period.

 

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We had a shooting this past week in our town. It had many witnesses that confirmed what happened to the police.

This old guy with a concealed wep permit goes across the street to ask this other guy if he could stop his dog from barking so much. Guy doesnt like this so much and runs down his sidewalk and immediately starts beating down this old guy. Witnesses confirm hes crying out for someone to help him and even when he falls do the ground from the beating hes begging the guy to stop and still yelling for help (obviously no one comes to help him). Finally he is able to reach his gun and plugs this guy 4 times, 3 in the chest 1 in the abd. The guy dies later in the hospital and old guy gets treated and released and most likely wont be charged with a crime due to Florida's Stand your ground law.

Justified?

 

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Very justified.

 

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We have people here bitching about it already.......he should have just covered up and waited for police......why didnt he just carry pepper spray or a tazer.......why didnt he just call the cops to begin with about the dog.

These people amaze me. What they should be asking is why some dumbass wants to get into a fight over being asked to quiet down his dog. Always want to blame it on the guy protecting himself and not the idiot criminal who deserved what he had coming to him. Incidentally the guy who got killed just got done serving jail time for murder.

 

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People that heard the old man's cries for help and did nothing until giving a police report are prolly the people that cried the loudest about the use of a gun.

 

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Remember, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away!


These so called "obligation to retreat" and the lack of "stand your ground" and "castle doctrine" laws in America are just another extension of the defective thought processes of those who think that all Americans are criminals. Thankfully, "stand your ground" and "castle doctrine" statutes are growing in frequency while "obligation to retreat" statutes are becoming less common which seems to indicate that the numbers of those who envision all Americans as criminals are on the decline, or at least, fewer Americans are listening to those fkn maniacs.

 

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From the write-up he only engaged the bad guy when the bad guy pointed the weapon at him.


I have no idea what was going through his head of course, but he drew his weapon and kept it concealed by his side. That's probably what I would have done in his shoes - just get it ready, but don't do anything unless you don't have any choice. The vast majority of hold-ups are in-n-outs with nobody hurt... it was only when the robber turned and pointed the shotgun at him that he engaged, and it is at that moment that you no longer have a choice in whether or not you shoot, because you have no idea what's going through the bad guy's head.


Right decisions all the way down the line.


Now to address some of the stupidity here...



He was a juvenile offender, with no adult convictions. Reading Comprehension 101.



Uhm, he didn't die. Remember that Reading Comprehension thing we talked about?


Regardless, he wasn't shot at for trying to steal a few bucks. He was shot at because he pointed a shotgun at someone who had a weapon of their own.



High Stress, High Consequence shooting sees no better than 20% accuracy - even from highly trained police officers (ie, SWAT) Adrenaline is the most powerful drug known to man, and it really screws up your accuracy when the penny drops.


Hitting 2 out of 7 puts him at ~29%, which is better than the average.

 

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People are idiots.

Here in Denver A guy shot and killed a home intruder and the friends of the intruder protested outside his house. They said he didn't have to kill him and that the intruder was a nice guy.

 

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What kind of whacko starts beating somene up for saying "your dog is barkng too much"?

The same knd of whacko that would go on a shooting rampage.

If guns were more accessible then there would be more people with them.

Im all for allowing people to hurt themselves by choice ( im pro legalizing drugs) but guns are a way to hurt and intimidate others not oneself.

Its only protective if youre the only one with it in in a gunfight.

He was a juvenile offender, with no adult convictions. Reading Comprehension 101.



Uhm, he didn't die. Remember that Reading Comprehension thing we talked about?


Regardless, he wasn't shot at for trying to steal a few bucks. He was shot at because he pointed a shotgun at someone who had a weapon of their own.



High Stress, High Consequence shooting sees no better than 20% accuracy - even from highly trained police officers (ie, SWAT) Adrenaline is the most powerful drug known to man, and it really screws up your accuracy when the penny drops.


Hitting 2 out of 7 puts him at ~29%, which is better than the average.

 

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