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illmyrin  3 stars
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Translation controversy

Many news sources repeated the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting statement by Ahmadinejad that "Israel must be wiped off the map",[5][6] an English idiom which means to "cause a place to stop existing",[7] or to "obliterate totally",[8] or "destroy completely".[9]

Ahmadinejad's phrase was "???? ?? ???? ?????? ??? ???" according to the text published on the President's Office's website.[10]

The translation presented by the official Islamic Republic News Agency has been challenged by Arash Norouzi, who says the statement "wiped off the map" was never made and that Ahmadinejad did not refer to the nation or land mass of Israel, but to the "regime occupying Jerusalem". Norouzi translated the original Persian to English, with the result, "the Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time."[11] Juan Cole, a University of Michigan Professor of Modern Middle East and South Asian History, agrees that Ahmadinejad's statement should be translated as, "the Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e eshghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from] the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad).[12] According to Cole, "Ahmadinejad did not say he was going to 'wipe Israel off the map' because no such idiom exists in Persian." Instead, "he did say he hoped its regime, i.e., a Jewish-Zionist state occupying Jerusalem, would collapse."[13] The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) translated the phrase similarly, as "this regime" must be "eliminated from the pages of history."[14]

Iranian government sources denied that Ahmadinejad issued any sort of threat. On 20 February 2006, Iran's foreign minister Manouchehr Mottaki told a news conference: "How is it possible to remove a country from the map? He is talking about the regime. We do not recognize legally this regime."[15][16][17]

Shiraz Dossa, a professor of Political Science at St. Francis Xavier University in Nova Scotia, Canada, also believes the text is a mistranslation.[18]

Ahmadinejad was quoting the Ayatollah Khomeini in the specific speech under discussion: what he said was that "the occupation regime over Jerusalem should vanish from the page of time." No state action is envisaged in this lament; it denotes a spiritual wish, whereas the erroneous translation – "wipe Israel off the map" – suggests a military threat. There is a huge chasm between the correct and the incorrect translations. The notion that Iran can "wipe out" U.S.-backed, nuclear-armed Israel is ludicrous.[19][20][21]



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Corky_Aloof  2 stars
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FOXNEWS says he did, so there you go.

 

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"Ahmadinejad did not refer to the nation or land mass of Israel, but to the "regime occupying Jerusalem". "


Is that really the story you want to use as your "rebuttal"?


"We didn't say we wanted the "Land" to leave the map, we just want all the people dead. Duh, stupid Americans".

 

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illmyrin  3 stars
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Bowlartz posted:

"Ahmadinejad did not refer to the nation or land mass of Israel, but to the "regime occupying Jerusalem". "


Is that really the story you want to use as your "rebuttal"?


"We didn't say we wanted the "Land" to leave the map, we just want all the people dead. Duh, stupid Americans".



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Asked if he objected to the government of Israel or Jewish people, he said that "creating an objection against the Zionists doesn't mean that there are objections against the Jewish". He added that Jews lived in Iran and were represented in the country's parliament.



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Koneg  3 stars
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illmyrin posted:

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Translation controversy


What controversy? It was Iran's own translation posted on their own damn web site? Hell it was the title headline of the story:


Ahmadinejad: Israel must be wiped off the map.


How much more definitive do you need?? And who's doing the lying? The revisionists or the apologists?

 

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Altra_Shadowstalker  4 stars
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Wow, six years behind the times on this one illy. There's a whole new "controversy" about the same sort of thing in the news earlier this or last month.

 

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Corky_Aloof posted:

FOXNEWS says he did, so there you go.



Well then. I'll believe it.

 

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illmyrin  3 stars
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Altra_Shadowstalker posted:

Wow, six years behind the times on this one illy. There's a whole new "controversy" about the same sort of thing in the news earlier this or last month.



I'm 6 years behind the times? lol Both of these instances are based on the same quote from the same religious figure which, 6 years ago, I posted about and remembered. Same headlines, same quote, same lies about what it means.

Wiped off the map = Vanish from the page of history


Silly Iranians for speaking in metaphors.

 

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illmyrin  3 stars
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Koneg posted:

illmyrin posted:

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Translation controversy


What controversy? It was Iran's own translation posted on their own damn web site? Hell it was the title headline of the story:

Ahmadinejad: Israel must be wiped off the map.

How much more definitive do you need?? And who's doing the lying? The revisionists or the apologists?



No Koneg- Wiped off the map was a NY times translation from the same CIA spy promoting today's news story. If you scroll up and read my OP you'll catch that point like 5 times.

 

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