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Abaddon_Ambrosius  Title: Retired Theurgist TL
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"Not once was there a mention that Jesus=God"
Your words, dude.
I'm not trying to prove or disprove that particular point. I'm just saying what you typed there is flat out wrong. If you're gonna pretend to have a firm position, at least be accurate with that which is easily checked.
To Catholics, Jesus *is* God. But Jesus is also a separate Person. There is no way you were 'raised Catholic' without that being mentioned, unless you weren't really raised Catholic, and never attended church. It is covered in the mandated homily at least four or five times a year.
Ash already posted the actual doctrine, in picture form. Albeit in Latin.
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 3,243
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Denying the divinity of Jesus christ would be considered heresy by almost all brands of Christianity.  |
Groucho48  Posts: 821
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Ptilk posted:
As much as I hate organized religion, I'm in awe at the good people who are part of it and what they do.
If only all religious people put their faith to work like it demands, I would almost be tempted to believe in their crap.
Yeah, that.
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DemonicXH Title: Camelot Vault Staff
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I was never taught that Jesus himself was God. He had divinity but that does not make him God.
But the point still stands that it is a monotheistic religion. There is one God, regardless of who is worshiped how much.
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Abaddon_Ambrosius Title: Retired Theurgist TL
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DemonicXH posted:
I was never taught that Jesus himself was God. He had divinity but that does not make him God.
Then you were never properly taught Roman Catholicism.
That's not a debatable point. It's in the catechism. It is doctrine. It's in the creed a Catholic recites at every single sanctioned mass. It's not one of those "up for discussion" things.
On the other point, I'm not debating the semantics of the one-god monotheism thing because again, I don't really care. But I've thrown the proper factual flag about your other statement.
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Groucho48 Posts: 821
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Don't they use the Baltimore Catechism anymore? You kids...
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24. Is there only one God?
Yes, there is only one God.
I am the Lord, and there is none else: there is no God besides me. (Isaiah 45:5)
25. How many Persons are there in God?
In God there are three Divine Persons – the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.
Going, therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost. (Matthew 28:19)
26. Is the Father God?
The Father is God and the first Person of the Blessed Trinity.
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. (I Corinthians 1:3)
27. Is the Son God?
The Son is God and the second Person of the Blessed Trinity.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (John 1:1)
28. Is the Holy Ghost God?
The Holy Ghost is God and the third Person of the Blessed Trinity.
Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? (I Corinthians 3:16)
29. What do we mean by the Blessed Trinity?
By the Blessed Trinity we mean, one and the same God in three Divine Persons.
Going, therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost. (Matthew 28:19)
30. Are the three Divine Persons really distinct from one another?
The three Divine Persons are really distinct from one another.
And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape, as a dove, upon him. And a voice came from heaven: "Thou art my beloved Son. In thee I am well pleased." (Luke 3:22)
31. Are the three Divine Persons perfectly equal to one another?
The three Divine Persons are perfectly equal to one another, because all are one and the same God.
I and the Father are one. (John 10:30)
32. How are the three Divine Persons, though really distinct from one another, one and the same God?
The three Divine Persons, though really distinct from one another, are one and the same God because all have one and the same Divine nature.
33. Can we fully understand how the three Divine Persons, though really distinct from one another, are one and the same God?
We cannot fully understand how the three Divine Persons, though really distinct from one another, are one and the same God because this is a supernatural mystery.
34. What is a supernatural mystery?
A supernatural mystery is a truth which we cannot fully understand, but which we firmly believe because we have God's word for it.
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Abaddon_Ambrosius Title: Retired Theurgist TL
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Groucho48 posted:
Don't they use the Baltimore Catechism anymore? You kids...
I wanted to trot that exact section out Groucho, but very few churches use that any more. I think the plug got pulled on that about 2 decades ago, at most churches. Hence I was cutting XH some slack in case they never taught that particular passage. (Which is in like the FIRST GRADE book of catechism).
Unless they've come back around to it, recently.
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Skinnyrumcakes  Title: Lich Larping Vampire Hunter
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Holy crap guys this isn't that hard to prove. You do know that Mormons believe that there are other gods, yes? They also believe they become the same as God and become gods of their own planets. They are pagans. Their gospel denies the power of the cross and claims that if someone dies fully in their sin they can 'save' them by having a baptism of the dead done for them. The mormon church is not christianity. Sometimes people who love Christ remain ignorant of the real doctrine and do in fact love the real Jesus but when you go into their theology they are nothing but pagans. Their book is false and their leader a false prophet.
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Abaddon_Ambrosius Title: Retired Theurgist TL
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Skinnyrumcakes posted:
Holy crap guys this isn't that hard to prove. You do know that Mormons believe that there are other gods, yes? They also believe they become the same as God and become gods of their own planets. They are pagans. Their gospel denies the power of the cross and claims that if someone dies fully in their sin they can 'save' them by having a baptism of the dead done for them. The mormon church is not christianity. Sometimes people who love Christ remain ignorant of the real doctrine and do in fact love the real Jesus but when you go into their theology they are nothing but pagans. Their book is false and their leader a false prophet.
And how does any of that particular creed rank as the more important deciding factor over the ones they themselves have said are the important factors?
On what authority?
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Abaddon_Ambrosius posted:
Skinnyrumcakes posted:
Holy crap guys this isn't that hard to prove. You do know that Mormons believe that there are other gods, yes? They also believe they become the same as God and become gods of their own planets. They are pagans. Their gospel denies the power of the cross and claims that if someone dies fully in their sin they can 'save' them by having a baptism of the dead done for them. The mormon church is not christianity. Sometimes people who love Christ remain ignorant of the real doctrine and do in fact love the real Jesus but when you go into their theology they are nothing but pagans. Their book is false and their leader a false prophet.
And how does any of that particular creed rank as the more important deciding factor over the ones they themselves have said are the important factors?
On what authority?
Christian beliefs derive from the Bible which denies the fact that there are other gods, let alone man's ability to become one, and says that Jesus is uncreated God, one with the Father and Spirit, as opposed to "a god" that was picked by a council of gods to organize the world instead of his brother the devil (in Mormonism matter is eternal and can't be created, and God the Father had sex with Mary to literally beget Jesus). On the authority of the Bible they are not Christian. They use the same words as Christians but mean different things.
If anything, Mormons will call themselves "restoration Christians" because they think they are the original Christian church that was restored to the earth. The rest of the denominations have parts of the truth only and have become corrupt, and their creeds are abominations in God's eyes. So when they say they are Christian, they mean that they are the only true Christian church, but also want to be identified with the rest of the actual Christian churches because it makes them appear more mainstream.
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