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Tych2  4 stars
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imaloon1  3 stars
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Taliesihne posted:

I'm always generally stunned at the lack of knowledge people have about the history of the church. And I am by no means a Theologian.

 

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ZigmundZag  4 stars
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eodoll posted:

Youre wrong, mormons do not recognize non mormon baptism (and vice versa).

Whether or not they recognize a non-Mormon baptism has nothing to do with the notion that other Christians will burn in hell when they don't even believe in hell.

 

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eodoll  4 stars
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Taliesihne posted:

eodoll posted:

There was just christian at around the year 300.. Then the churche broke.

One remained christian and the other church formed catholics. From then on christianity started forming a bunch of diversions and craziness.. Priest marriage rules, war structure, kingdoms, thousands of saints, purgatory, exorcism, etc... All this weird crap that was not in the one and only christian church.

So call them bible worhippers but not true christians. The ethiopian church, apostolic church, coptic and even orthodox christians adhere more to the original verion of christianity.



The Catholic Church was formed while Jesus was still alive.

The Confession of Peter (which is talked about in Matthew, Mark, and Luke) is considered the origin and the founding of the Catholic Church.

Even with that said, there was no formal Christian Church before 300. They were generally parts of the jewish community before that.

Anyway you really want to look at this, Catholicism and the genesis of Christianity go hand in hand.



Catholicism as an official religiion began by the romans in 321. There was already an official armenian apostolic church formed by 301. Before that christians could be called gnostics or just christian. By about 450 or so is when the "christians" had a rift.

Exorcism, confessions, all the invented saints and mythology are catholic inventions.. They are not christian. You probably think speaking in tongues is also christian.
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Skinnyrumcakes posted:

Mormons will be the first to tell you they aren't Christians.



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eodoll  4 stars
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Even the image of jesus catholics hold dear is invented by them based on a european male model of the time.
Sinlock  2 stars
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Taliesihne posted:

The Catholic Church was formed while Jesus was still alive.



According to the Catholic Church, that is; however, they're not a very reliable source of historical happenings.

 

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Abaddon_Ambrosius  4 stars
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eodoll posted:

Even the image of jesus catholics hold dear is invented by them based on a european male model of the time.



That and other stuff that's gotten piled on top is relevant exactly... how... to this?

Catholics definitely consider themselves Christian.

So do Mormons.

Catholics just started doing it waaaaaaaaaaaaaay before, well, 95% of other Christian sects or derivatives around today. Maybe even 100% of them, depending on how history unfolded.

 

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Taliesihne  4 stars
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Sinlock posted:

Taliesihne posted:

The Catholic Church was formed while Jesus was still alive.



According to the Catholic Church, that is; however, they're not a very reliable source of historical happenings.



I don't dispute that.

I'm simply saying that anyway you want to look at it, it's near impossible to seperate Christianity and Catholicism.

Whether you are judging the start of Catholicism by the moral teachings that define the church itself or the actual establishment of the Church organization, both are tied to the inception of what is historically considered Christianity.

 

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Taliesihne  4 stars
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Eo, you do realize that you are arguing that Orthodox religions are the only Christian religions there are right?

It's preposterous.

 

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