Abaddon_Ambrosius posted:
Try to keep up. I covered that pages ago under "salvation by faith alone", versus "faith plus works". As already stated, sects who are CLEARLY Christian by any realistic definition disagree on that one... Mormonism notwithstanding.
You try and keep up. This is isnt "Mere Christianity" whose author C.S. Lewis and I would agree on the various differences of Christianity differences are minor points that have nothing to do with salvation, but rather different denominations have different emphasis on certain parts such some with grace, atonement, baptism, etc. Mormonism is entirely different and you have apparently no idea the the differences are so vast. In fact it can differ on a thousand different points but the most crucial is Jesus himself. The Jesus the LDS describe is an entirely different one than the "traditional" Jesus. So much that it is basically a different person altogether such as David Koresh claiming he is Jesus. This is even stated as such by the high prophet himself, Gordon Hinkley who stated, "The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak." If it is indeed a DIFFERENT Christ as the narratives of the NT and Book of Mormon and the prophet Smith of the LDS church state, then it doesn't matter how much faith, or works, or whatever they have in a false Jesus, at least according to traditional dispensation.
sweeny_comodore posted:
Jesus never called himself the son of god.
That is a catholic creation at the council of nice.
jesus claimed to be the son of man.
Incorrect. First of all, the phrase “Son of Man†is not only reference to Jesus' humanity as you will see further. It is also not a denial of His deity. By becoming a man, Jesus did not cease being God. The incarnation of Christ did not involve the subtraction of deity, but the addition of humanity. Jesus clearly claimed to be God on many occasions (Matthew 16:16,17; John 8:58; 10:30). But in addition to being divine, He was also human (see Philippians 2:6-8). He had two natures (divine and human) conjoined in one person. In fact, it is highly revealing that the term “Son of Man†is used in Scripture in contexts of Christ's deity. For exmple, the OT and NT says that only God can forgive sins (Isaiah 43:25; Mark 2:7). But as the “Son of Man,†Jesus had the power to forgive sins (Mark 2:10). Likewise, Christ will retrn to Earth as the “Son of Man†in clouds of glory to reign on Earth (Matthew 26:63-64). In this passage, Jesus is citing Daniel 7:13 where the Messiah is described as the "Ancient of Days," a phrase used to indicate His deity (Daniel 7:9). Finally, when Jesus was asked by the high priest whether He was the “Son of God†(Matthew 26:63), He responded affirmatively, declaring that He was the “Son of Man†who would come in power and great glory. This indicated that Jesus Himself used the phrase “Son of Man†to indicate His deity as the Son of God.
-Sinlock
