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What is all this noise about 'Big Government'? [Locked] |
illmyrin  Posts: 705
Registered: 2001-12-25 11:52:26
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What is all this noise about 'Big Government'? |
reesescups posted:
Big Government? Obama Has 273,000 Fewer Federal Employees Than Reagan
Running the provided numbers from here, the actual difference is 272,000 (excluding Military), if you include Military Obama has 846,000 less than Reagan...
You're pointing the "BIG" sign at the wrong government attribute. Numbers are less a factor thanks to technology. I mean, McDonalds is big numbers wise.
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Tych2  Title: Obama Appointed Outpost Czar
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Registered: 2005-3-1 06:56:47
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Something isn't right with the numbers you posted. I guess I will have to look at them myself. Bastard making me work 
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reesescups Title: //Captain America
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Registered: 2003-5-26 14:45:53
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What is all this noise about 'Big Government'? |
illmyrin posted:
reesescups posted:
Big Government? Obama Has 273,000 Fewer Federal Employees Than Reagan
Running the provided numbers from here, the actual difference is 272,000 (excluding Military), if you include Military Obama has 846,000 less than Reagan...
You're pointing the "BIG" sign at the wrong government attribute. Numbers are less a factor thanks to technology. I mean, McDonalds is big numbers wise.
Are you bitching about improvements in efficiency?
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ZigmundZag Title: Grammar Nazi
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Registered: 2002-3-25 23:03:00
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What is all this noise about 'Big Government'? |
I can't find a nice clean chart, but if you look at the US Census website you can find that the FTE for state employees was about 3.8 Million in 1992 and is almost 4.4 million in 2010.
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reesescups Title: //Captain America
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ZigmundZag posted:
I can't find a nice clean chart, but if you look at the US Census website you can find that the FTE for state employees was about 3.8 Million in 1992 and is almost 4.4 million in 2010.
This is good info, I imagine it's got to be somewhere, someone has had to break this down...
edit: http://www.census.gov/govs/apes/
/digging now
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Abaddon_Ambrosius Title: Retired Theurgist TL
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Registered: 2001-12-21 09:51:39
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1/1/00 12:00am
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What is all this noise about 'Big Government'? |
It's on the US Census site in a mass of data tables, for state and local, going back to 1992. But I'm not going to spend a couple hours assembling them and figuring it out.
edit -- yes, there, I see you just found it.
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ZigmundZag Title: Grammar Nazi
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Registered: 2002-3-25 23:03:00
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The other thing to consider is the increase in state employees vs. population. If you consider the US population went from around 250 million to ~ 300 million in that same time the % of people employed by state governments was relatively unchanged or slightly improved.
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reesescups Title: //Captain America
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Registered: 2003-5-26 14:45:53
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wow - I am sure there must be some 'tweaks' to the data that need normalization but just raw numbers...
1992 - Total State Employees: 3,835,982
2012 - Total State Employees: 10,965,982
Holy Eff!!!
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Tych2 Title: Obama Appointed Outpost Czar
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Registered: 2005-3-1 06:56:47
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It's funny when people manipulate numbers to try and fool people.
STOP IT!! 
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Moe_Nox Title: In Moe We Trust
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Registered: 2007-2-4 12:17:56
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What is all this noise about 'Big Government'? |
More Government then, than now?
More in the 80's when Reagan fired the air traffic controllers? When we didn't have TSA armies enmasse? When there wasn't such a thing as Homeland security?
I am having a hard time believing that.
Possible that some elements were shifted from fed level to state offices?
I know the revamped welfare reform restructured a whole framework of jobs, not sure the specifics of their reporting authority however.
Good discussion tho
EDIT: ok, Reese found the hidey hole of state employees while I was posting. That makes *much* more sense now. 
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