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Vydor  Posts: 248
Registered: 2001-12-24 21:14:09
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Szerek posted:
Vydor posted:
It's odd really.
However, with the recent shooting and I think there was a car bomb explosion at the airport just before Panetta arrived. So, it's understandable that people get nervous. I don't think this is really a big deal.
So what Panetta is saying to our troops then, is: "It is ok if you die doing what I tell you to do, but check your weapons at the door because there is not way in HELL I'm gonna die. In summary, Me > You."
Maybe, I dunno. But more like, it was a chaotic day in a chaotic week and security could not be guaranteed at the event. So, better safe then sorry. I highly doubt this is an ongoing procedure change for the Marines in a deployed area.
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Moe_Nox  Title: In Moe We Trust
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Registered: 2007-2-4 12:17:56
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Moving the goalposts might look something like "BUUUSH!! It doesn't matter what Obama does, this is all Bush's fault!"
article posted:
The Taliban were overthrown in the 2001 American-backed invasion of Afghanistan. The Taliban were never defeated, however. They retreated, regrouped, especially in Pakistan, and by 2006 were again controlling vast swaths of southern and western Afghanistan while inflicting heavy casualties on NATO and American forces. clicky
Gen McChrystal understood the difference between Taliban and Afghan, and his policies while serving under Bush highlighted that. He asked Obama for a surge to go after the regrouping Taliban. He got approval for that. Then he also got roders to implement the surge every-freaking-where, including provinces that haven't been significantly hostile since close to 2001.
After losing the debate on why this was a bad idea, he called Obama a noob and resigned.
Any of this ringing a bell?
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
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Vydor posted:
Maybe, I dunno. But more like, it was a chaotic day in a chaotic week and security could not be guaranteed at the event. So, better safe then sorry.
What's safer than being in a room full of armed US marines?? 
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Ashmaele Title: Pastor of Muppets
Posts: 1,809
Registered: 2002-1-15 08:30:50
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Date Posted:
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Moe_Nox posted:
Gen McChrystal understood the difference between Taliban and Afghan, and his policies while serving under Bush highlighted that. He asked Obama for a surge to go after the regrouping Taliban. He got approval for that. Then he also got roders to implement the surge every-freaking-where, including provinces that haven't been significantly hostile since close to 2001.
After losing the debate on why this was a bad idea, he called Obama a noob and resigned.
Any of this ringing a bell?
Actually, no, since you got it completely wrong.
McChrystal didn't actually resign, he was relieved of his command because he and his subordinates didn't know how to keep their mouths shut. The 'resignation' was a mere formality on the part of the general. McChrystal was out, period. As he should have been. Even your fellow conservatives conceded that getting rid of McChrystal was the right move and pretty much had to be done.
Also, Obama explicitly stated that his decision to relieve McChrystal and replace him with Petraus had nothing whatsoever to do with strategy or tactics. So your assertion that Obama wanted to do Army stuff that McChrystal did not want to do and as a result McChrystal took his ball and left is false.
And no 'surge' would have been necessary if the job would have been seen through in the first place in Afghanistan. We were there for eight focking years before Obama was elected. Whether you realize it or not the world was already turning before your lamentations over Obama began in January 2009.
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SoBaKi  Posts: 487
Registered: 2002-2-26 09:31:13
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And once again, slow_moe has his lunch, and lunch money, taken away from him.
Like I said before, slow_moe....man, you're dumb.
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Kjarhall  Title: The Pungent One
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Registered: 2002-3-1 15:47:21
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I don't see what the big deal is, especially in light of all the psycho crap going on there from both sides.
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Moe_Nox Title: In Moe We Trust
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Registered: 2007-2-4 12:17:56
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Ashmaele posted:
Also, Obama explicitly stated that his decision to relieve McChrystal and replace him with Petraus had nothing whatsoever to do with strategy or tactics.
Holy shit you're an idiot. "BUT BUT BUT OBAMA SAID! 
Do some reading other than DailyKOS and the Outpost.
Watch any of McChrystal's speeches that are all over YouTube saying exactly what needed to be done to win in Afghanistan.
Watch any of the PBS, National Geographic, or independent war journalist documentaries on the last 3 years in Afghanistan, what has changed and what is going on.
Unless ofcourse you consider those RWN propaganda.
And Kjar you are correct: its not really a big deal, especially considering how the situation is deteriorating. It was a prudent move by Panetta and I approve.
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Szerek Posts: 338
Registered: 2000-8-8 09:26:09
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Moe_Nox posted:
Holy shit you're an idiot. "BUT BUT BUT OBAMA SAID!
Watch any of McChrystal's speeches that are all over YouTube saying exactly what needed to be done to win in Afghanistan.
And Kjar you are correct: its not really a big deal, especially considering how the situation is deteriorating. It was a prudent move by Panetta and I approve.
First off you are an idiot for thinking than anyone in our government ever wanted this war won. When was the last time we actually tried to win a war? The "war on terror" is the perfect "war" because we can't "win". It is a war that continually creates new enemies after we kill the old. It is a perfect scheme for funneling tax payer money to different corporate entities at the cost of the lives of brown people. Corporate America profits from war, it always has, as do our politicians. Winning wars hasn't been about winning, or peace for over 60 years now.
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Moe_Nox Title: In Moe We Trust
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Registered: 2007-2-4 12:17:56
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Gen McChrystal was the commanding general of forces in Afghanistan.
He was not an elected politician in D.C.
The fact that you cannot understand the differences between the two shows yet again that less than average Americans have their head up their ass on this issue.
Thanks for making a great example to underline my point.
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Szerek Posts: 338
Registered: 2000-8-8 09:26:09
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Moe_Nox posted:
Gen McChrystal was the commanding general of forces in Afghanistan.
He was not an elected politician in D.C.
The fact that you cannot understand the differences between the two shows yet again that less than average Americans have their head up their ass on this issue.
Thanks for making a great example to underline my point.
You're right. I'm sure the fact that his daddy was a Major General had nothing to do with his rise in the military amirite? His daddy, I'm sure wasn't connected with Washington, and neither was he on his rise up, amirite? I'm sorry, I am stupid to think that high ranking military personnel have political connections.
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