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Scarne  Title: Capo di Scientifico
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Yukishiro1 posted:
Scarne posted:
Well, it can still be states rights like driver's licenses are. Different states have different requirements for driver's licenses, but if you go into a different state, your license is still valid even if the state you got it from has less strict requirements.
So it can be states rights, but even if gay people can't get married in one state, that state still needs to accept the validity of gay marriages from other states. 
Which makes it not really states rights. If a state doesn't have a right to refuse to recognize the marriage it doesn't really have any meaningful rights.
The Full Faith and Credit Clause is a Constitutional restriction on states rights.
SCOTUS hasn't ruled though if that applies to marriage or not.
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Kjarhall  Title: The Pungent One
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While the rest of you get caught up in stupid technicalities - there isn't any reason not to allow marriage equality except that bigots get all butthurt about it, even though it doesn't really impact them at all.
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Vydor  Posts: 248
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vn_nnanji posted:
It wasn't a conversation. It was testimony in an official setting. Your take on it is wrong and blatantly self serving. And I note you still have not answered the question, despite my answering yours.
You provided no context, I have no way of knowing what it was. I made my comments with the info I was provided.
As far as I know, though, states can define marriage as they see fit under the constitution, even using the bible as the basis. Which is why I believe his remarks to be off the mark.
Am I wrong, do states not have the right to choose how to define marriage?
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Scarne Title: Capo di Scientifico
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Vydor posted:
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This was about DOMA where the federal government says it wasn't going to recognize gay marriages.
I guess I am confused, can states forbid same sex marriages?
SCOTUS hasn't ruled either way yet.
And the quote was still about the feds forbidding same sex marriages which it clearly doesn't have the powers to do so per the Constitution.
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Vydor Posts: 248
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Scarne posted:
Vydor posted:
Scarne posted:
This was about DOMA where the federal government says it wasn't going to recognize gay marriages.
I guess I am confused, can states forbid same sex marriages?
SCOTUS hasn't ruled either way yet.
And the quote was still about the feds forbidding same sex marriages which it clearly doesn't have the powers to do so per the Constitution.
Sorry, but I didn't see anything indicating the context of feds forbidding same sex marriage in the OP. You may be right, but that's now how I read it.
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vn_nnanji Title: Outpost Music Expert
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I will also point out that the man who's comments are "off the mark" is a Constitutional Lawyer with a degree from Harvard Law School and in fact is a Senator as well. 
Isn't context grand!
"Jamie Raskin (born Jamin B. Raskin,[1] on December 13, 1962, in Washington, D.C.) is an American law professor and politician. He teaches at American University, Washington College of Law, in Washington, D.C. He serves as the Director of the college's LL.M. program on Law and Government. In November 2006, he was elected as a Maryland State Senator for District 20,[2] representing parts of Silver Spring and Takoma Park.
On March 1, 2006, during a Maryland State Senate hearing regarding same-sex marriage, Raskin, speaking as a constitutional law expert, told a lawmaker, "People place their hand on the Bible and swear to uphold the Constitution; they don't put their hand on the Constitution and swear to uphold the Bible."
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Vydor Posts: 248
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vn_nnanji posted:
I will also point out that the man who's comments are "off the mark" is a Constitutional Lawyer with a degree from Harvard Law School and in fact is a Senator as well.
Isn't context grand!
"Jamie Raskin (born Jamin B. Raskin,[1] on December 13, 1962, in Washington, D.C.) is an American law professor and politician. He teaches at American University, Washington College of Law, in Washington, D.C. He serves as the Director of the college's LL.M. program on Law and Government. In November 2006, he was elected as a Maryland State Senator for District 20,[2] representing parts of Silver Spring and Takoma Park.
On March 1, 2006, during a Maryland State Senate hearing regarding same-sex marriage, Raskin, speaking as a constitutional law expert, told a lawmaker, "People place their hand on the Bible and swear to uphold the Constitution; they don't put their hand on the Constitution and swear to uphold the Bible."
And states can and do forbid same sex marriage. As far as I know it is still allowed under the constitution. So, that guy would be wrong if he means she cannot use the bible define marriage in her state.
If states cannot ban same sex marriage according to the constitution, then I am wrong and freely admit it.
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vn_nnanji Title: Outpost Music Expert
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No context?  Stop prancing around the issue. Grow a set and answer the question Dude.
We already know the answer but you really ought to just man up and say it out loud.
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Vydor Posts: 248
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vn_nnanji posted:
No context? Stop prancing around the issue. Grow a set and answer the question Dude.
We already know the answer but you really ought to just man up and say it out loud.
Exactly, there was no context at all in the OP, just two quotes with no background or explanation at all. So, one can only comment on the words provided. Unless they know the on going story, which I clearly do not.
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Vydor Posts: 248
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vn_nnanji posted:
No context? Stop prancing around the issue. Grow a set and answer the question Dude.
We already know the answer but you really ought to just man up and say it out loud.
It's pretty simple the way I see it.
1. If states cannot forbid same sex marriage according the the constitution, then I was wrong.
2. If states can forbid same sex marriage and still be legal inside side the constitution, then I am right.
I am under the impression that the constitution isn't the means of defining marriage in this country. I could easily be wrong.
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