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Has the notion of states outlived its usefulness in America? [Locked] |
Kjarhall  Title: The Pungent One
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Has the notion of states outlived its usefulness in America? |
The notion of states keeps us less "United" than if they didn't exist.
However, it is a way so people from either end of the spectrum have better living choices.
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paulg_68  Posts: 2,469
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AzureTyger posted:
Who really benefits from an arrangement where autonomous states are in direct or indirect competition with each other?
Everyone.
Nearly everything good done by the Federal government started at the state level. States are much more innovative than the federal government.
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the_great_intex Title: This is what cool looks like
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Has the notion of states outlived its usefulness in America? |
No. Not fiscally. I think fiscally wise micromanaging should be done at the state level. Now whether that happens in the federal government or the state government is another question. But there's a LOT of negatives to trying to fix problems with a broad sword
I think a great deal of laws should not be allowed -- and I personally think it is unconstitutional for the federal government to have the power -- to be passed at the federal level.
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Brother_Tempus Title: Patriot
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Registered: 2001-1-9 08:07:00
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Has the notion of states outlived its usefulness in America? |
AzureTyger posted:
Who really benefits from an arrangement where autonomous states are in direct or indirect competition with each other?
Businesses, employees, individuals of conscious, those wishing to live in places without theocratic influence ....
Why did Europeans flock here to the US from Europe???
AzureTyger posted:
The states need to exist to support bureaucracies
No, the states need to exist to cancel out the powers of the federal government and the mob
Just as there are 3 branches of the federal government, there are three branches of sovereign control, each with its own place to balance out the powers of the others
Federal government, the states, and the people. The 10th Amendment states this quite clearly
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the_great_intex Title: This is what cool looks like
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Has the notion of states outlived its usefulness in America? |
There's also a great deal of laws that deal with states, such as inter-state commerce. I like the fact that states decide their commerce regulations until it goes over their boundaries
To me, the federal government is far to powerful as is. It has proven to me also that the federal government is incapable of spending tax payer money efficiently and that I wouldn't want them to gain even more power. The balance between states and the federal government I think is fundamental and if anything more power should be given back to the states
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Brother_Tempus Title: Patriot
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Has the notion of states outlived its usefulness in America? |
the_great_intex posted:
There's also a great deal of laws that deal with states, such as inter-state commerce. I like the fact that states decide their commerce regulations until it goes over their boundaries
To me, the federal government is far to powerful as is. It has proven to me also that the federal government is incapable of spending tax payer money efficiently and that I wouldn't want them to gain even more power. The balance between states and the federal government I think is fundamental and if anything more power should be given back to the states
You would have to repeal the 14th and 17th Amendments
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Tych2 Title: Obama Appointed Outpost Czar
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armoredgimp posted:
Tych2 posted:
No and I hope they never do.
It may just be time to refresh that tree of liberty
Meaning? I am not a state's right guy.
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AzureTyger  Title: Awesome
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Registered: 2002-4-1 15:49:04
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Has the notion of states outlived its usefulness in America? |
the_great_intex posted:
No. Not fiscally. I think fiscally wise micromanaging should be done at the state level. Now whether that happens in the federal government or the state government is another question. But there's a LOT of negatives to trying to fix problems with a broad sword
I think a great deal of laws should not be allowed -- and I personally think it is unconstitutional for the federal government to have the power -- to be passed at the federal level.
A lot of things about our 18th century constitution are stupid and sucky in a modern context, it's really long past time for a rewrite. Right now it is nearly impossible for the people to enact change, but relatively easy for monied interests to do so. State autonomy is one of the biggest factors in the ability for businesses to abuse the people and the environment.
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Brother_Tempus Title: Patriot
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Registered: 2001-1-9 08:07:00
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Has the notion of states outlived its usefulness in America? |
Tych2 posted:
armoredgimp posted:
Tych2 posted:
No and I hope they never do.
It may just be time to refresh that tree of liberty
Meaning? I am not a state's right guy.
Meaning that the notions of nullification may need to be tested with vigor yet again , like the New England states did with the Fugitive Slave Act
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 3,243
Registered: 2002-9-20 23:52:57
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Has the notion of states outlived its usefulness in America? |
Tych2 posted:
armoredgimp posted:
Tych2 posted:
No and I hope they never do.
It may just be time to refresh that tree of liberty
Meaning? I am not a state's right guy.
He wants you to join him in a blood-soaked rampage against people he doesn't like because he thinks that will further the aims of freedom.
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