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Ashmaele  Title: Pastor of Muppets
Posts: 1,809
Registered: 2002-1-15 08:30:50
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What will the SCOTUS do with Obamacare |
LOL Republicans. Like, what a joke of a political party.
Republicans: Universal Health Care is BAD BAD BAD. SOCIALISM! NO WAI. MUST HAVE PRIVATE SECTOR SOLUTION!
Obama: OK, kewl, here's this solution that you guys advocated in 1994 and have at times continued to advocate. I think I'll pass that.
Republicans: SOCIALISM! NO WAI. WE HAVE NO PLAN WHATSOEVER TO COVER MORE PEOPLE OR CONTROL COSTS, BUT THIS IS REALLY BAD.
Obama: Wat
Republicans: YEAH. AND WHILE YOU'RE AT IT, DONT GO DOING ANYTHING TO MEDICARE!!! UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE IS...OK FOR SENIORS! THEY VOTE DAMMIT!
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:01am
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What will the SCOTUS do with Obamacare |
Ashmaele posted:
LOL Republicans. Like, what a joke of a political party.
Republicans: Universal Health Care is BAD BAD BAD. SOCIALISM! NO WAI. MUST HAVE PRIVATE SECTOR SOLUTION!
Obama: OK, kewl, here's this solution that you guys advocated in 1994 and have at times continued to advocate. I think I'll pass that.
Republicans: SOCIALISM! NO WAI. WE HAVE NO PLAN WHATSOEVER TO COVER MORE PEOPLE OR CONTROL COSTS, BUT THIS IS REALLY BAD.
Obama: Wat
Republicans: YEAH. AND WHILE YOU'RE AT IT, DONT GO DOING ANYTHING TO MEDICARE!!! UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE IS...OK FOR SENIORS! THEY VOTE DAMMIT!
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This was a failure in leadership from Obama. As you pointed out reps have been for some of the exact legislation in the past but no one wants a noob to ram it down their throats. Obama originally wanted this thing passed in 2 weeks and didn't look for any rep votes. Regardless of whether you are for or against this...the way Obama handled it in trying to strong arm the reps is the real story.
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Ptilk Title: Creepy old pirate
Posts: 2,359
Registered: 2002-2-13 14:52:58
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:01am
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What will the SCOTUS do with Obamacare |
Go figure you have to strong arm a group of idiots who refuse to vote for the exact same shit they have supported for decades.
It's their own god damn ideas but because Obama supported them..... suddenly they are EBIL socialism  !!
Yeah, strong arming was never required or anything. 
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Ashmaele Title: Pastor of Muppets
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Registered: 2002-1-15 08:30:50
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Obama strong armed all the reps by...signing the bill? lol
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paulg_68 Posts: 2,469
Registered: 2009-7-27 18:45:54
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What will the SCOTUS do with Obamacare |
Obamacare is a turd and the Democrats are 100% responsible for it.
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Z-Elder  Posts: 671
Registered: 2002-3-15 13:58:39
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republicans have no problem mandating that women get reproductive tests they do not need but insurance is Evil because of a mandate! 
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paulg_68 Posts: 2,469
Registered: 2009-7-27 18:45:54
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Republicans are hypocrites and Obamacare is still a turd.
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Walker_ID Posts: 673
Registered: 2002-5-29 10:20:09
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i suspect the mandate will be shot down....5:4 but i hope it's at least 6:3
it's clear that the court doesn't buy the argument that it's a tax....and i think the justices realize it will grant the fed virtually unlimited powers with no restraints if they allow the mandate to stand
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Ashmaele Title: Pastor of Muppets
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Registered: 2002-1-15 08:30:50
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What will the SCOTUS do with Obamacare |
Economist from the Brookings Institute criticizes the Justices' understanding of externalities
http://www.brookings.edu/opinions/2012/0327_health_care_scotus_aaron.aspx
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Several of the justices, notably Scalia and Alito, responded to the externalities argument by saying that every economic transaction creates similar externalities. "If I don't buy a Volt, I raise the price of Volts," said Scalia. Alito said much the same thing. So did Paul Clement's brief for the plaintiffs.
This response was and is bad economics. It is true that every commodity is produced along what economists call a "cost curve"—raising output may lower average or marginal unit costs by spreading overhead or achieving economies of scale, but it may also raise costs by forcing up the cost of inputs or incurring diseconomies of scale. None of this occasions concerns about fairness or free-loading or, to use the economist's term, "externalities." But the cost shifting that occurs when uninsured patients fail to pay their bills does; it causes one group—the insured—to have to pay part of the cost of services others use.
Perhaps the most glaring instance of the failure to appreciate what an externality really is came from Justice Alito who at one point challenged the solicitor general by positing that the cost of all of the care currently used by those who are uninsured is less than would be the cost of the insurance they would be forced to carry. That being the case, Alito asked, how can one say that the uninsured are shifting costs to the insured? This query is painfully detached from an understanding of what an externality really is, how insurance works, or what the impact of insurance would be on service use.
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Walker_ID Posts: 673
Registered: 2002-5-29 10:20:09
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it's not really a requirement for scotus justices to understand the minutiae of economic theory
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