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DemonicXH  3 stars
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Kjarhall posted:

DemonicXH posted:

And to answer your hypothetical situation. If I was standing in my driveway and someone I didn't like was walking by and I attacked him and he physically retaliated and I felt my life was threatened with death or great bodily harm then under Florida's SYG and castle doctrine laws I could shoot him dead.



First i fixed your quote to match the supposition most of the arguments are based on.

Now, from that, are you really sure the SYG still applies?

That's what this case is going to boil down to, imo. Once the two physically met up, who made the first move, who instigated it, will determine ALOT. Or at least it should.



That's not the hypothetical question that was proposed, but as you have edited it no because I physically assaulted first.


Now for this thread and topic that argument doesn't hold up because there is zero evidence that Zimmerman physically attacked Martin. Asking someone questions and even using racial epitaphs does not constitute physical assault.
Ardenwolfe  2 stars
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Why are racial slurs not allowed on this board?

 

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DemonicXH  3 stars
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Ardenwolfe posted:

DemonicXH posted:

That's where the issue lies. Who instigated what. According to everything I have read, Zimmerman stated which was corroborated by a witness he lost track of Martin and was walking back to his car when he was attacked by Martin and the rest is history.


In that scenario, if it's truthful, In the eyes of the law the instigation ended when Zimmerman turned around and walked away. Once Martin attacked him that was a new confrontation instigated by him and the SYG applies.


Don't get me wrong, I think the law is way too broad and I kind of understand what the author of the bill was trying to convey, it just doesn't hold up in the real world.



And that's when he should've let the police do their job as requested by the dispatcher. Zimmerman put himself in that situation. I have no idea if what you say is true about Zimmerman walking away and Martin attacking him.

Unfortunately, the only person I know who can state what happened is Zimmerman since Martin is dead or barring some witness who saw everything from start to end. But, that's why a jury of his peers should put that to a vote.

The bottom line is this: This should have never happened. A young man is dead over nothing. This whole thing is going to end badly regardless of the final outcome. And if what you say about Florida is true, thank you. I'll never live there now.



I don't 100% know the truth either, that's just what I have read from various sources and as I said in another thread it will be interesting to find out what the grand jury thinks when it goes over this case in a few weeks.
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Ardenwolfe posted:

Why are racial slurs not allowed on this board?



KILL WHITEY!!!!!!

 

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Ardenwolfe  2 stars
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God help Florida if this goes the worst route possible. It'll make the Rodney King riots look like a beach-side barbecue.

 

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DemonicXH  3 stars
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Ardenwolfe posted:

God help Florida if this goes the worst route possible. It'll make the Rodney King riots look like a beach-side barbecue.



Ashmaele  4 stars
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Ardenwolfe posted:

God help Florida if this goes the worst route possible. It'll make the Rodney King riots look like a beach-side barbecue.

I live like 8 mi from Sanford please don't say stuff like that!

 

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Ardenwolfe  2 stars
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I'd plan a vacation or move before a verdict or ruling is announced if I were you. . . .

 

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sweeny_comodore  4 stars
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Ashmaele posted:

sweeny_comodore posted:

Did the kid live there?



Yes, at least he was staying there.



last i heard the family was there visiting friends that night, not staying there.
so pardon my not keeping up with the topic as much as the fanbois.


how bout this scenario:
angry, angsty, teen, wandering around the complex notices hes being followed by "the man" and says to his GF;"hoad oan baby. i gotsta take care sumin right kwik, noe whut i sayin? i git back at ya."
he then turns around to confront "the man" and notices hes walking away. feeling emboldened by his recent run in with john q busdriver, he runs up behind "the man" and takes a swing. he catches "the man" in the face and breaks his nose as "the man" turns to face him. the man, scared, shocked an in pain staggers and runs a little as the attacker tackles him to the ground and starts to pummel him about the head and face.
"the man" pulls a gun and shoots his attacker.
attacker dies.


remove the color descriptions and its very plausible and entirely believable.
insert the racial descriptions and it suddenly turns into "OMG that poor black teen got murdered by that evil racist man.

and i havent stated which side i support.
i just like to argue against the idiots who are using emotion and media trickery to base their arguments on.

 

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poetkiosk  2 stars
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Cabby has this right I think.


Regardless of why it starts, if someone is on top of you slamming your head into the ground and you have a gun, at least in FL law, it is legal to shoot and kill them.

Now the law itself is bonkers, but that's a different matter.

 

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