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Ashmaele  4 stars
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Vydor posted:

Saw Martin on the ground, wanted to help but his dog ran off and he chased the dog.

For some reason I lol'd

 

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Grymlo  2 stars
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Says the guy who turned "I couldn't see who was who" into "I didn't see anything." Did I mention you only accept witnesses and "facts" that support your version of this? Why don't you go look at all the major networks and see what they are saying. ALL of what they are saying, not just what you want to be true. Of course you will swallow anything that supports Zimmerman like a crack whore working for a fix, and dismiss anything that doesn't with the blindness of a mole rat.

"Zimmerman shows no injuries." They cleaned him up...look, you can see a smudge on his head!
"Zimmerman's story has conflicts." He was dazed and confused from the savage beating!
"I saw the one kid on top." SEE! He was fighting for his life!
" I didn't see anyone hitting anyone." See? He didn't see anything!

Talk about Grym's fairy tales.

Barney Fife was an asshole with a gun. You're just an asshole.


Talk about fairy tales. You will take the testimony of a 13 year old who says he couldnt see anything because it was to dark over the testiomony of someone who did see it and claim your faux outrage. You seem to be swallowing everything against zimmerman because obviously you dont like the hispanics! They must be ebil or something! How about you stop dismissing evidence so blindly.

Zimmermans story is collaborated by a witness who actually saw things.
Your witness couldnt say shit yet you sit here and claim he is who we should listen to lol.


Stop the hispanic hate man! You are the only one looking like an asshole here. The reaching you are doing you could probably give me a reach around all the way over here in Florida.

 

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Grymlo  2 stars
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cabbyman posted:

http://www.krcrtv.com/news/30758511/detail.html

George Zimmerman's description is outlined in an Orlando Sentinel article that cited "authorities" as the source of its information. The Sanford Police Department subsequently released a statement that, while condemning what it called"unauthorized leaks," confirmed the newspaper account "is consistent with the information provided to the State Attorney's office by the police department."

"As to Zimmerman, "his back appeared to be wet and was covered in grass (and he) was also bleeding, from the nose and back of his head," according to the same report."



Facts get in the way of reality - some OP libtard

 

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Ashmaele  4 stars
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Grymlo posted:

Zimmermans story is collaborated by a witness who actually saw things.



Not all of it. And you seem just as adamant that Zimmerman is innocent as badjar is that he's guilty. FWIW

 

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Ashmaele  4 stars
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This case bears a striking resemblance to the Yoshihiro Hattori case from the early 90's. The shooter in that case was acquitted as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoshihiro_Hattori

Yoshihiro Hattori (?? ?? Hattori Yoshihiro?, November 22, 1975 – October 17, 1992) was a Japanese exchange student residing in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, United States at the time of his death. Hattori was on his way to a Halloween party and he went to the wrong house by accident. The property owner, Rodney Peairs, mortally wounded Hattori with gunfire, thinking he was trespassing with criminal intent. The controversial homicide, and Peairs's subsequent acquittal in the state court of Louisiana, received worldwide attention.
Yoshi Hattori's early life

Born in Nagoya, Japan to Masaichi and Mieko Hattori, Yoshihiro was 16 years old when he went to Baton Rouge as part of the AFS student exchange program; he had also received a scholarship from the Morita Foundation for his trip. He was the middle child between a brother and a sister, and was described as a gregarious teen who played on his high school rugby team and loved fishing.
[edit] Fatal incident

Two months into his stay in the United States, he received an invitation, along with Webb Haymaker, his homestay brother, to a Halloween party organized for Japanese exchange students on October 17, 1992. Hattori went dressed in a tuxedo in imitation of John Travolta from Saturday Night Fever. Upon their arrival in the quiet working class neighborhood where the party was held, the boys mistook the Peairses' residence for their intended destination due to the similarity of the address and the Halloween decorations on the outside of the house, and proceeded to step out of their car and walk to the front door. (Fujio 2004; Harper n.d.)

Hattori and Haymaker rang the front doorbell but, seemingly receiving no response, began to walk back to their car. Meanwhile, inside the house, their arrival had not gone unnoticed. Bonnie Peairs had peered out the side door and saw them. Mrs. Peairs, startled, retreated inside, locked the door, and said to her husband, "Rodney, get your gun." Hattori and Haymaker were walking to their car when the carport door was opened again, this time by Mr. Peairs. He was armed with a loaded and cocked .44 magnum revolver. He pointed it at Hattori, and yelled "Freeze." Simultaneously, Hattori, likely thinking he said "please," stepped back towards the house, saying "We're here for the party." Haymaker, seeing the weapon, shouted after Hattori, but Peairs fired his weapon at point blank range at Hattori, hitting him in the chest, and then ran back inside. (Kernodle 2002; Fujio 2004; Harper n.d.) Haymaker rushed to Hattori, badly wounded and lying where he fell, on his back. Haymaker ran to the home next door to the Peairses' house for help. Neither Mr. Peairs nor his wife came out of their house until the police arrived, about 40 minutes after the shooting. Mrs. Peairs shouted to a neighbor to "go away" when the neighbor called for help. One of the Peairses' children later told police that her mother asked, "Why did you shoot him?"

The shot had pierced the upper and lower lobes of Hattori's left lung, and exited through the area of the seventh rib; he died in the ambulance minutes later, from loss of blood.[1]
[edit] The criminal trial of Peairs

Initially, the local police quickly questioned and released Peairs, and declined to charge him with any crime. They felt that "Peairs had been within his rights in shooting the trespasser." [2] Only after the governor of Louisiana and the New Orleans Japan consul general protested, did Peairs get charged with manslaughter. Peairs's defense counsel's strategy consisted of a claim that Hattori had an "extremely unusual manner of moving", one which any reasonable person would find "scary", and emphasis on Peairs as an "average Joe", a man just like the jury members' neighbors, a man who "liked sugar in his grits".[3]

At the trial, Peairs testified about the moment just prior to the shooting: "It was a person, coming from behind the car, moving real fast. At that point, I pointed the gun and hollered, 'Freeze!' The person kept coming toward me, moving very erratically. At that time, I hollered for him to stop. He didn't; he kept moving forward. I remember him laughing. I was scared to death. This person was not gonna stop, he was gonna do harm to me." Peairs testified that he shot Yoshi once in the chest when the youth was about five feet away. "I had no choice," he said. "I want Yoshi's parents to understand that I'm sorry for everything."

District Attorney Doug Moreau concentrated on establishing that it had not been reasonable for Peairs, a 6-foot-2, well-armed man, to be so fearful of a polite, friendly, unarmed, 130-pound boy, who rang the doorbell, even if he walked toward him unexpectedly in the driveway, and that Peairs was not justified in using deadly force. Moreau stated, "It started with the ringing of the doorbell. No masks, no disguises. People ringing doorbells are not attempting to make unlawful entry. They didn't walk to the back yard, they didn't start peeking in the windows."

"ou were safe and secure, weren't you?" Moreau asked Peairs during his appearance before the grand jury. "But you didn't call the police, did you?"
"No sir." Peairs said.
"Did you hear anyone trying to break in the front door?"
"No sir."
"Did you hear anyone trying to break in the carport door?"
"No sir."
"And you were standing right there at the door, weren't you - with a big gun?"
Peairs nodded.
"I know you're sorry you killed him. You are sorry, aren't you?"
"es sir."
"But you did kill him, didn't you?"
"es sir."

Peairs testified in a flat, toneless drawl, breaking into tears several times. A police detective testified that Peairs had said to him, "Boy, I messed up; I made a mistake."

The defense argued that Peairs was in large part reacting reasonably to his wife's panic. Peairs's wife testified for an hour describing the incident, during which she also broke into tears several times. "He was coming real fast, and it just clicked in my mind that he was going to hurt us. I slammed the door and locked it. I took two steps into the living room, where Rod could see me and I could see him. I told him to get the gun." Peairs did not hesitate or question her, but instead went to retrieve a handgun with a laser sight that was stored in a suitcase in the bedroom, which he said "was the easiest, most accessible gun to me."

"There was no thinking involved. I wish I could have thought. If I could have just thought," Mrs. Peairs said.[4]

The trial lasted seven days. After the jurors deliberated for three and a quarter hours, Peairs was acquitted.
[edit] The civil trial

In a later civil action (95 0144 (La.App. 1 Cir. 10/6/95), 662 So.2d 509), however, the court found Peairs liable to Hattori's parents for $650,000 in damages,[5] which they used to establish two charitable funds in their son's name; one to fund U.S. high school students wishing to visit Japan, and one to fund organizations that lobby for gun control.[6] The lawyers for Hattori's parents argued that the Peairses had behaved unreasonably: Bonnie Peairs had overreacted to the presence of the two teens outside her house; the Peairses had behaved unreasonably by not communicating with each other to convey what exactly the threat was; they had not taken the best path to safety—remaining inside the house and calling police; they had erred in taking offensive action rather than defensive action; and Rodney Peairs had used his firearm too quickly, without assessing the situation, using a warning shot, or shooting to wound. Furthermore, the much larger Peairs could likely very easily have subdued the short, slightly built teen. Contrary to Peairs's claim that Hattori was moving strangely and quickly towards him, forensic evidence demonstrates that Hattori was moving slowly, or not at all, and his arms were away from his body, indicating he was no threat. Overall, a far greater show of force was used than was appropriate.[7] Out of the total compensation, only $100,000 has been paid by an insurance company.[8]
[edit] Afterwards

After the trial, Peairs told the press that he would never again own a gun.

Japanese were shocked not only by the killing, but by Peairs's acquittal. Shortly after the Hattori case, a Japanese exchange student, Takuma Ito, and a Japanese-American student, Go Matsura, were killed in a carjacking in San Pedro, California, and another Japanese exchange student, Masakazu Kuriyama was shot in Concord, California. Many Japanese reacted to these deaths as being similar symptoms of a sick society; TV Asahi commentator Takashi Wada put the feelings into words by asking, "But now, which society is more mature? The idea that you protect people by shooting guns is barbaric."

One million Americans and 1.65 million Japanese signed a petition urging stronger gun controls in the US; the petition was presented to Ambassador Walter Mondale on November 22, 1993, who delivered it to President Bill Clinton. Shortly thereafter, the Brady Bill was passed, and on December 3, 1993, Mondale presented Hattori's parents with a copy.[9][10]

Suspicions of implicit racism in the acquittal of Peairs further gained traction when, shortly afterwards, a homeowner named Todd Vriesenga, inside his house in Grand Haven, MI, similarly shot and killed a 17 year old named Adam Provencal through the front door. Vriesenga received a 16 to 24 month term for "reckless use of a firearm resulting in death", causing both Japanese and Asian-American advocacy groups to speculate on whether the difference between Vriesenga's conviction and Peairs's acquittal was related to the race of the victims. Other groups publicly stated that Vriesenga should have been convicted of the more severe charge of felony manslaughter.[1]

 

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Elocism  3 stars
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wow, reading that i cant believe he got off

dude rings doorbell. MUST BE THERE TO ROB ME

 

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Ardenwolfe  2 stars
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cabbyman posted:

http://www.krcrtv.com/news/30758511/detail.html

George Zimmerman's description is outlined in an Orlando Sentinel article that cited "authorities" as the source of its information. The Sanford Police Department subsequently released a statement that, while condemning what it called"unauthorized leaks," confirmed the newspaper account "is consistent with the information provided to the State Attorney's office by the police department."

"As to Zimmerman, "his back appeared to be wet and was covered in grass (and he) was also bleeding, from the nose and back of his head," according to the same report."



Really? Please show us where the blood is on his persons in the video. And the 'covered with grass', and the broken nose. And the blood on the back of his head. Seriously, I'm not seeing it.

 

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DemonicXH  3 stars
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Ashmaele posted:

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There was a case in Boca Raton a few years ago where a guy shot and killed a teenager who knocked on his door and ran away.

He got off due to the castle doctrine laws and last I heard his family won a big lawsuit but he hasn't paid and was claiming bankruptcy to get away from paying.
Ashmaele  4 stars
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Yeah FL is the best place to be if you lose a lawsuit because you basically never have to pay, ever.

See also OJ Simpson

 

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Grymlo  2 stars
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Ashmaele posted:

Grymlo posted:

Zimmermans story is collaborated by a witness who actually saw things.



Not all of it. And you seem just as adamant that Zimmerman is innocent as badjar is that he's guilty. FWIW



I understand. The point i am obviously making is that the witness for Zimmerman actually provided evidence that collaborates Zimmermans story. Badger is stuck in fantasy land with a story about a 13 year old kid who couldnt see anything because it was to dark yet blindly takes that as Zimmerman being guilty.

 

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