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Scarne  4 stars
Title: Capo di Scientifico
Posts: 1,087
Registered: 2001-7-23 15:24:34
Free birth control pills save the insurance companies money. They change more if you don't want them covered.

 

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Vydor  1 star
Posts: 248
Registered: 2001-12-24 21:14:09
A bun in every oven!

 

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theredkay1  3 stars
Posts: 611
Registered: 2008-5-16 10:37:09
-Espiritu- posted:

Obviously women can already get birth control pills for essentially nothing.



So this will cost us essentially nothing then?


If they are already free, why would this drive women to the polls at all?


-Espiritu- posted:

woman too stupid to undertand things like me do!



oh right
-Espiritu-  2 stars
Posts: 269
Registered: 2004-11-29 18:27:00
theredkay1 posted:

-Espiritu- posted:

Obviously women can already get birth control pills for essentially nothing.



So this will cost us essentially nothing then?


If they are already free, why would this drive women to the polls at all?



Wal-Mart and Target sell birth control pills for $9/month. If you examine a prescription drug coverage EOB, you will see a price range charged to your insurer of $24-$44/month. If you are a student at Georgetown University, apparently the cost is actually $3,000/year for birth control pills.


This price complexity is the foundation of our currently exploding healthcare costs, and without it, existing government run healthcare programs (medicare/medicaid) would already have collapsed. The underpayments have to be masked somewhere.


The only real question we should be having is "who should pay the $9/month". I'm not sure how anyone could answer anything but "the person taking the pills", but it really doesn't matter because this isn't the debate we're having. The "GOP wants your birth control pills" is the foundation of the Obama bid for re-election. Women are buying this in droves, and they will be the deciding factor in November.


My favorite irony of this topic is that Planned Parenthood provides totally free birth control pills under their "Take Charge" program. Something that costs $9, or nothing if you can't afford $9, HAS to be included on health insurance (laugh) policies? That is some libtarded $hit.

 

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Espiritu (MajorMUD, UO, DAoC, SB, FFXI, WoW, WAR, Travian, SC2, SWTOR)
Aerlinthian  4 stars
Posts: 2,126
Registered: 2001-5-7 23:53:38
-Espiritu- posted:

<snip> That is some libtarded $hit.

Sorry to be contrarian but no it isn't. As you have well established this is about votes. Economic leftists aren't stupid, just dedicated political manipulators who know that an appeal to economic emotion usually works on people who don't get how various factors affect macro economics. Economic leftists must game the system to get into and maintain power. I personally think that they are ultimately self defeating but they don't see it that way as long as they are currently in charge.

We don't have normal business cycles, we have economic political cycles that are much bigger, longer and deeper than the business cycles. To the leftists this is a good thing. Well a good thing until it finally comes down and then they will just blame everything else other than their own despotic greed and incompetence.
theredkay1  3 stars
Posts: 611
Registered: 2008-5-16 10:37:09
You keep alternating between the pills being cheap and the pills being expensive.


-Espiritu- posted:

This price complexity is the foundation of our currently exploding healthcare costs, and without it, existing government run healthcare programs (medicare/medicaid) would already have collapsed. The underpayments have to be masked somewhere.



Do cheaper products at Walmart force other retailers to charge more? If so, and you are worried about costs, should you be arguing to shut WalMart down? Or should you be capitalizing on the entity that is actually able to control prices?


You dont appear to have thought this one through at all.


-Espiritu- posted:

The only real question we should be having is "who should pay the $9/month". I'm not sure how anyone could answer anything but....



You arent sure because you arent approaching the question as someone who is interested in health costs or health outcomes. You are approaching it from the perspective of a single issue bozo.
Ptilk  4 stars
Title: Creepy old pirate
Posts: 2,359
Registered: 2002-2-13 14:52:58
When did you become such a total idiot?

Covering birth control exactly the same way you cover any other PREVENTATIVE medicine is an issue for some. Yep. Mostly people on the far right. Everyone else understand that it makes sense and is a good idea.

Sex is dirty, women are slutty whores if they have sex, abortion is murder, women are whores, sex is dirty, stay in the kitchen and stay pregnant and let real people (AKA men) worry about important stuff, STFU whore!

That's the issue for many more people. And that's the platform the Republican party decided upon. STFU whore, dirty, dirty slut, unclean, nasty promiscuous bitch. You get knocked up when we tell you to get knocked up, get me a beer.

Yeah. You guys go with that. Despite your prayers, women can still vote in this country. And despite the fact that some women want to be treated like they are fragile creatures in imminent danger of sluthood if they don't support their man....most don't.

You lose.
Yukishiro1  4 stars
Posts: 3,243
Registered: 2002-9-20 23:52:57
Ptilk posted:

When did you become such a total idiot?



Espiritool left the Outpost in the great 2006-2008 RWN exodus. Every time he's come back since he's been totally retarded.
-Espiritu-  2 stars
Posts: 269
Registered: 2004-11-29 18:27:00
theredkay1 posted:

You keep alternating between the pills being cheap and the pills being expensive.



I didn't create the paradox of complex pricing in healthcare, it was governments intrusion into the healthcare market that created it.


theredkay1 posted:

Do cheaper products at Walmart force other retailers to charge more? If so, and you are worried about costs, should you be arguing to shut WalMart down? Or should you be capitalizing on the entity that is actually able to control prices?


You dont appear to have thought this one through at all.



The answer to your first question is no, making the rest of your questions invalid. Healthcare inflation is only reduced by Walmart's existence in the market. Unfortunately $0.50 of every dollar spent on healthcare is done so through government run programs. Walmart is a just a drop in the bucket compared to government run healthcare.


theredkay1 posted:

-Espiritu- posted:

The only real question we should be having is "who should pay the $9/month". I'm not sure how anyone could answer anything but....



You arent sure because you arent approaching the question as someone who is interested in health costs or health outcomes. You are approaching it from the perspective of a single issue bozo.



Birth control pills are cheap.

Birth control are widely available.

Birth control pills are free to those who can't afford them.


The only outcome that was given any consideration when initiating this injection of government into healthcare was the outcome of the 2012 election.

 

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Bowlartz  1 star
Title: Offical VN Tin Foil Hat Supplier
Posts: 221
Registered: 2006-1-4 19:59:15
I am pretty sure the actual Republican nominee won't be against birth control.

 

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