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tenkly  Title: Best looking Outposter.
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Registered: 2007-3-7 22:50:38
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theredkay1 posted:
Is it lazy that you havent learned spanish? Or does the laziness just flow one way on this one?
If your French friend had found a large community in the US that spoke French, he probably would have been lazy too.
Lazy seems like the wrong word here.
Seems to me that the government doesnt have a real interest in how people communicate. Communication is a valuable skill, but its just one of many. I dont think we should exclude people just because you are too lazy to learn Spanish.
So you're saying people should go out of their way to learn languages other than the official languages just because some people don't want to learn the official languages? That's a retarded argument.
I speak both official languages fluently, I am also learning spanish but it's on my own free time and I'm in no real rush to do it. If a spanish person who lives in canada wants service from me, I would expect them to know AT LEAST one of the two official languages.
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Ashmaele Title: Pastor of Muppets
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Registered: 2002-1-15 08:30:50
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Eager_Igraine posted:
I'm not a fan of tax money being spent on document duplication for people who refuse to learn the language. To a large degree, this also goes for funding translators and interpreters.
The state of FL has spent a nice chunk of change sending my gf to ESOL classes because some immigrant parents are not only too lazy to learn English themselves, they're too lazy to make sure their children can communicate effectively in the native language before they enroll them in school. She even had one student put in her class after the first nine weeks who spoke NO English. At all. None. HTF is she supposed to teach this kid anything??
It's complete bull****.
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 3,243
Registered: 2002-9-20 23:52:57
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1/1/00 12:00am
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America doesn't have an official language, and English is pretty clearly not the "native" language of America.
Also, I know TONS of Americans who go to foreign countries and expect people to speak English to them. Pretty much everyone actually. |
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Yukishiro1 posted:
America doesn't have an official language, and English is pretty clearly not the "native" language of America.
Also, I know TONS of Americans who go to foreign countries and expect people to speak English to them. Pretty much everyone actually.
It would be nice if Engrish were the official language and I know it isn't. Also, I don't think anyone would really dispute that, generally, Americans are crappy, moronic tourists with stupid expectations.
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Ashmaele Title: Pastor of Muppets
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In Europe, most places I went had people who spoke English. I think it's taught in most of the schools nowadays. Most of the people were pretty patient with us if we at least TRIED to communicate in their language (even in France). However, if you did not even pretend to make an effort they'd just stand there and look at you like you were an idiot or something. They seemed to have the attitude: "If you're not even going to try, why should I?"
Also, you can replace "native" with "overwhelmingly predominant" if you'd like, it makes no difference to me. If the Constitution had been written in Apache I am sure we'd all be speaking Apache right now.
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 3,243
Registered: 2002-9-20 23:52:57
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You live in Florida. It is pretty silly to be all up in arms that lots of people speak Spanish and don't speak English very well. That's sorta like living in Switzerland on the border with Italy and being annoyed their German is bad.
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Cawlin Posts: 1,759
Registered: 2005-2-22 07:58:42
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This thread reminds me of a joke a PA State Trooper told me once:
Q: Why is a mod like a cueball?
A: The harder you hit 'em, the more English you get out of 'em...
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theredkay1  Posts: 611
Registered: 2008-5-16 10:37:09
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tenkly posted:
So you're saying people should go out of their way to learn languages other than the official languages just because some people don't want to learn the official languages? That's a retarded argument.
No, Im not saying people should go out of their way. I just think getting all upset that someone hasnt learned your language is kind of stupid when you have made the exact same decision.
Knowing multiple languages is a valuable skill. Im not sure what you think the term 'official language' means....its kind of a meaningless artificial construct that shouldnt influence anyones behavior.
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Ashmaele Title: Pastor of Muppets
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Yukishiro1 posted:
You live in Florida. It is pretty silly to be all up in arms that lots of people speak Spanish and don't speak English very well. That's sorta like living in Switzerland on the border with Italy and being annoyed their German is bad.
Actually what inspired my post was that someone just got all up in arms up in here because we don't speak Spanish, not the other way around.
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 3,243
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Whatever. I guess I don't find it so strange. It would be different if you lived in bumfuk minnesota or something. I don't find it odd some random douchebag might get mad there isn't a spanish speaker at some company in florida. Random douchebags will find anything to get mad about. I don't see how it's representative of anything.
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