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Clackdor  1 star
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Registered: 2001-9-21 12:10:52
Ashmaele posted:

It applies to more than just the corporate world. Even a small business could be affected thusly: Two guys work in a warehouse together. A truck comes in that must be unloaded by hand. There is no one who can unload the truck other than these two guys. However, only one guy is actually in the warehouse when this truck comes in. The other is not at work because his irresponsible and thoughtless ass decided to get wasted the night before. So the one guy in the warehouse who IS responsible is 'rewarded' by getting the opportunity to do the work of two people. grats to him!

I would question whether or not any person ever worked a day in his life if he/she doesn't at least do a double take at the notion that someone would put something like this in writing. That alone shows pitiful judgment, whether or not his actions were excusable or understandable.



Poor reasoning. If the above example ever happens, then it is actually poor management. There should be a fall back position just in case the sick call is legitimate and to account for vacation. You cannot count on every person to be there every day.

 

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Cawlin  4 stars
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Clackdor posted:

Ashmaele posted:

It applies to more than just the corporate world. Even a small business could be affected thusly: Two guys work in a warehouse together. A truck comes in that must be unloaded by hand. There is no one who can unload the truck other than these two guys. However, only one guy is actually in the warehouse when this truck comes in. The other is not at work because his irresponsible and thoughtless ass decided to get wasted the night before. So the one guy in the warehouse who IS responsible is 'rewarded' by getting the opportunity to do the work of two people. grats to him!

I would question whether or not any person ever worked a day in his life if he/she doesn't at least do a double take at the notion that someone would put something like this in writing. That alone shows pitiful judgment, whether or not his actions were excusable or understandable.



Poor reasoning. If the above example ever happens, then it is actually poor management. There should be a fall back position just in case the sick call is legitimate and to account for vacation. You cannot count on every person to be there every day.



Doesn't change the fact that it shows terrible judgement to commit such a thing to writing.

 

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Ptilk  4 stars
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Registered: 2002-2-13 14:52:58
See, we are going to have to agree that we don't have the same outlook on this at all.

I don't see being honest and saying "oops, I screwed up" as being any worse than lying and saying, "My car wont start, be there as soon as the AAA gets here".

I fully expect everyone I work with, or who work for me....to be human. Unless there is a history of "being human" frequently, I don't care. I'd just be like, "Thanks for the laugh, I'll be sure to razz you a bit about it".

Hell, one of the few corporate jobs I ever held for more than a month or two, my regional director got wasted during a late night meeting we had for senior managers (quite a few others got wasted as well), we all poured into cabs and headed back to our respective hotels, showed up at the office in the morning, and he was passed out on the floor in his office..wearing nothing but a pair of red boxers and cowboy boots. It was fricken hilarious, and we all laughed about it for years. No big deal, even though it did throw the rest of the day off as we had to wait a couple of hours for him to get up, go home, shower, dress and return.

It wasn't a habit, dude was good at his job. No biggie. A few of the people there started to make a bit of a fuss over it, but luckily, they were quickly drowned out by those of us who didn't give a damn, and who also happened to be senior to them in position and authority.

That was the exception to my jobs however. If you dared to need an hour off for cancer surgery at the job where I took my one try at actually being a working engineer, you might as well quit that day, your career was over and everyone would have treated you as a pariah for the rest of your time there. How dare you inconvenience the rest of us with your needing to stop dying and stuff?

I get it though, I would never fit into most "business" environments. I just don't know how to act like I give a damn about little stuff. Strangely, this attitude was never a problem in the military. In fact, it was probably an asset and why I did so well despite my questionable "teamwork" attitude.
Eager_Igraine  4 stars
Posts: 1,036
Registered: 2002-11-21 11:55:52
Ashmaele posted:

Kent



Maybe I'm being obtuse but if you aren't his supervisor, why do you care?

 

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IMHO  4 stars
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Registered: 2001-11-1 03:55:02
Eager_Igraine posted:

Ashmaele posted:

Kent



Maybe I'm being obtuse but if you aren't his supervisor, why do you care?



He sent it from Ash's Cel Phone?

 

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Cawlin  4 stars
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Ptilk posted:

See, we are going to have to agree that we don't have the same outlook on this at all.

I don't see being honest and saying "oops, I screwed up" as being any worse than lying and saying, "My car wont start, be there as soon as the AAA gets here".

I fully expect everyone I work with, or who work for me....to be human. Unless there is a history of "being human" frequently, I don't care. I'd just be like, "Thanks for the laugh, I'll be sure to razz you a bit about it".

Hell, one of the few corporate jobs I ever held for more than a month or two, my regional director got wasted during a late night meeting we had for senior managers (quite a few others got wasted as well), we all poured into cabs and headed back to our respective hotels, showed up at the office in the morning, and he was passed out on the floor in his office..wearing nothing but a pair of red boxers and cowboy boots. It was fricken hilarious, and we all laughed about it for years. No big deal, even though it did throw the rest of the day off as we had to wait a couple of hours for him to get up, go home, shower, dress and return.

It wasn't a habit, dude was good at his job. No biggie. A few of the people there started to make a bit of a fuss over it, but luckily, they were quickly drowned out by those of us who didn't give a damn, and who also happened to be senior to them in position and authority.

That was the exception to my jobs however. If you dared to need an hour off for cancer surgery at the job where I took my one try at actually being a working engineer, you might as well quit that day, your career was over and everyone would have treated you as a pariah for the rest of your time there. How dare you inconvenience the rest of us with your needing to stop dying and stuff?

I get it though, I would never fit into most "business" environments. I just don't know how to act like I give a damn about little stuff. Strangely, this attitude was never a problem in the military. In fact, it was probably an asset and why I did so well despite my questionable "teamwork" attitude.



If everyone were like you, I would wholeheartedly agree. Fact is, not everyone is like you. Again, it's not a corporate issue. Imagine if you work on a labor crew - small time operation - say a roofing crew like the one I was on in college - and you're the low man on the totem pole - the dude who has to do all the siht work - clean up the shingle parts from the tearoff, hump all the shingle bundles up the ladder, etc. and so on. If you call out sick on Friday morning, the other guys will get the roof done, they just won't get it done by 3, and one of them will have to do the siht work. They will be bummed, but they will understand (mostly) that you were sick and not think particularly less of you for it.

However, if you sent a text to your boss and the crew saying "hung over, will be late/out today", I would not expect that to be received by the rest of the crew with a bit of jocularity.

 

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Ashmaele  4 stars
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Registered: 2002-1-15 08:30:50
Clackdor posted:

Ashmaele posted:

It applies to more than just the corporate world. Even a small business could be affected thusly: Two guys work in a warehouse together. A truck comes in that must be unloaded by hand. There is no one who can unload the truck other than these two guys. However, only one guy is actually in the warehouse when this truck comes in. The other is not at work because his irresponsible and thoughtless ass decided to get wasted the night before. So the one guy in the warehouse who IS responsible is 'rewarded' by getting the opportunity to do the work of two people. grats to him!

I would question whether or not any person ever worked a day in his life if he/she doesn't at least do a double take at the notion that someone would put something like this in writing. That alone shows pitiful judgment, whether or not his actions were excusable or understandable.



Poor reasoning. If the above example ever happens, then it is actually poor management. There should be a fall back position just in case the sick call is legitimate and to account for vacation. You cannot count on every person to be there every day.



No, you can't. You also can't keep one extra person on staff just in case a truck comes in. That's poor management. And but for irresponsible asshead's irresponsibility you don't need an extra person.

 

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Ashmaele  4 stars
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Registered: 2002-1-15 08:30:50
Eager_Igraine posted:

Ashmaele posted:

Kent



Maybe I'm being obtuse but if you aren't his supervisor, why do you care?



I am pretty much the entire HR department at work, all this crap goes through me even though I don't directly supervise everyone.

 

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IMHO  4 stars
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Ashmaele posted:

Eager_Igraine posted:

Ashmaele posted:

Kent



Maybe I'm being obtuse but if you aren't his supervisor, why do you care?



I am pretty much the entire HR department at work, all this crap goes through me even though I don't directly supervise everyone.



 

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Ashmaele  4 stars
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Okay everyone into the conference room now

 

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