you know if you break down the human body after death to all its basic components there is 1 percent missing that cannot be explained.

 

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the hidden 2nd penis

Oh it must be a soul. Right?

Iso proof. I took some law classes. Need some proof here.

 

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ive seen more soul in a fried chicken

edit: jazz music is good

i didnt say soul you did so you made that assumption not i

 

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the 1% is air that we fart out and breath in

Snackpack: First, my apologies for the delayed response. I was enjoying a good evening and dinner with a beautiful woman and that was far more interesting than debating you Godless sonsabitches

1.Now I don't want to dwell too far into this subject because it will lead to science fiction. If we could bend space and time ourselves then theoretically we could travel from point A to point B through a wormhole and reach the far ends of the universe.





Haven't read Ender's game; I'll most likely wait for the movie. Don't really know much about him but I don't believe you can earn your way into heaven. But it's not my place to tell them how to live their lives for Him.


2. I need the science to strengthen my faith. So to me it's comforting to see that the more we know the more that's confirmed. Granted in my eyes, not yours.





Good point. I didn't become a Christian because of any evidence or facts. It was actually in spite of all the facts and evidence that we knew in the 1980s. I just knew He was real. Like the wind, I couldn't see Him. I felt Him draw me to Himself. I can see the evidence of it in my life. So why would I need facts and figures to confirm it? Because walking as a Christian is HAM in this world. Paul (obviously my favorite Apostle) said we all have to 'work out our own Salvation.' That's how I prefer to work out mine. I remind my players and my kids all the time. That I know God exists because he answers prayer.


There are so many occurrences that I can point to as evidence but I'll spare you all but one. My first born son didn't make it. On delivery day (May 26th, 1986) he had the cord wrapped around his neck. The doctors didn't catch it and he didn't make it. While I was on my knees crying my eyes out I suddenly felt a peace. And yeah, you can't put that in a test tube or see it with any electronic device. I can only explain that it was real to me. My Pastor was there and he saw me calm myself then say out loud 'I still trust you Lord.' We had three beautiful daughters and despite the jokes from my brother in laws (that I wasn't man enough to father a boy) Elijah (Hotamitaneo in game) was due on May 26th 12 years later. Sure, it could have been coincidence. But like the discoveries in science that confirm many of the statements in the bible it was a mile stone for me. A way for me to look back and see that I'm on the right track. And it's a subtle way for God to whisper 'I'm here.'


3. Unfortunately, Christians are to blame for people not believing in Christ than Satan.





I agree with you. There were cavemen, Cro Magnon, Neanderthal, etc before Adam came along. I don't have a problem with Darwin whom most people don't realize believed in a Creator.





The bible never said there was not a species of homo sapien before Adam. Without a species of man then how else can Cain's wife be explained? Seven centuries before Darwin came along and long before people were interested enough to study fossils and discover the existence of cavemen a Jewish Philosopher, Moses Maimonides, wrote about a species considered to be masters of the field that Adam had dominion over. A species of homo sapiens that could farm but lacked the 'Neshama' to be like Adam. Neshama being the breath of God; we call it the soul or the spirit. When God breathed that life into Adam then he became different. Probably more self aware and able to think of more than just what he would eat or drink that day.

But to your point, I think religious Christians give the true Message of Jesus coming to die for us a bad rap. None of you are going to decide to become a Christian based on scientific discoveries or archaeology. Hell, I could probably dig up the Ark of the covenant in your back yard and most of the people here would still not be convinced that there really is a Creator God. That only happens when someone sees how He has changed someone's life. And then want that for themselves.


4.I get frustrated because they spend so much of their time locked in their elaborate, climate controlled buildings waiting for people to just show up and ask what this 'Christ thing' is all about. Most hide their children away from society either thru home schooling or Christian schools. I coach Football and Basketball. I get an opportunity to share my faith and I state up front that throughout the year that's what I'll be doing. So people can come or go as they please. You can only reach someone once they get to know you. God knows I'm not perfect. And my life is pretty messed up right now.





The worst thing that happened to the Christian faith was when it was adopted by Rome. Then it became a religion. And I doubt that any division (Catholic or Protestant) is more right or on target than the other. Growing up a Catholic I can imagine you had your fill of guilt. Well, I think Southern Baptists could give you a run for your money as far as using it to try to persuade you to live a Christ like life. When the simple answer is Love.


5. But I still trust in Him to help me make it right.





All I can say about that is that the more I try to take control and run things myself the more I screw it up. It's when I allow Him to guide me and run the show that things go great. But, mankind is a prideful, stubborn bunch. We always think we can take care of ourselves. Granted, that's something you'd have to experience for yourself to believe in.


6. But to get to your point about traveling bending space and time I think that is one school of thought. I have a theory about Angels. They couldn't have body's like ours and travel back and forth between Heaven and Earth thru a worm hole. They would have to be some crazy looking creatures. Hence the reason that whenever they would appear the first thing they would say would be 'Fear not!' What if they are bound to some of the same laws of nature as we are? And what if they mastered another means of travel? The Ancient Aliens so to speak. Maybe they aren't able to visit as often because the universe is expanding and each time they would have to travel further to get here. That could explain why bad things happen I suppose.

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I know, I know... I guess you can say that I'm an out-of-the-box thinker Just for curiosity’s sake, you should check out a book called 'Fallen Angels' by Elizabeth Clare Prophet; a great study on the book of Enoch. (Which in my mind was wrongly excluded; especially since Jesus and the Apostles referred to some of the text) Even if you don't believe and are a SciFi fan you'd probably have your interest piqued. I find it 'humorous' that most atheists find it entirely plausible that we have been visited by intelligent beings from other planets. Yet the fact that Angels might exist is laughable. Maybe that's because they think of the classic paintings of a fair faced being with wings playing on a harp.


Enoch refers to the Watchers. Those Angels (our word) or beings sent to keep up with us and report back. But they messed up. First they couldn't resist the wimmens. Neither can we! So they slept with them and that's supposedly where Giants (the Nephalim) came from. This isn't just a story in the bible though. And while I don't claim to believe all the ancient myths verbatim I do believe that there are some threads of truth in them. The Epic of Gilgamesh speaks of a Giant with an insatiable appetite. So did Enoch. The Greeks wrote of many DemiGods who were extremely powerful and huge. Native Americans spoke of Red-haired Giants and there was an amazing discovery in Lovelock, Nevada.

http://ironlight.wordpress.com/2010/07/10/nevadas-mysterious-cave-of-the-red-haired-giants/


Enoch wrote that the watchers taught men and women about Metal working, Stone masonry, Astronomy, War, Sorcery, etc. Doesn't it strike you as peculiar that it took mankind approximately 40,000 years to advance from hunter gatherers to farmers/builders. And now look at us! In less than 4,000 years we put a man on the moon! You don't think that maybe we had a little help in progressing? I do. You can call them Aliens. I believe they're the Angels that were referred to in the bible. God's advanced race of beings sent to watch over us. Only a third of them didn't like that idea and decided to rebel.


Now before you trivialize my belief or write me off as some raving lunatic then I ask you to consider one of the greatest intellectuals of our time. C.S. Lewis. I would imagine that no one here could stand up and say they were much smarter than he; an Oxford Graduate and Professor. A great thinker who set out to disprove the idea of God. And in the process found that he was wrong. Two of my favorite quotes from him are:





I submit that those of you who do not believe in God and are yet living according to the law (based on Judaic principles) are hypocrites. If the universe has no meaning then life has no meaning. If life has no meaning then you can be free to kill, rape, murder, and steal. But deep within your soul (if you have one) I'll bet there would be something in most of you that would tug at you and say 'no. I can't do this. Even if I get away with it. It's not right.' (Btw: I wonder if there were some off spring that did not inherit the Neshama. That would explain someone like a Jeffrey Dahmer)

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Many Christians look down on the unsaved because they haven't 'figured it out yet.' It's just as wrong as an atheist mocking someone for their belief in God. While atheist spend their days focused on the things of this earth too many Christians are 'too heavenly minded to be any earthly good.' There should be more honest, peaceful discussions between the two.


On the subject of Demons you should read a short book called "The Screwtape letters." It's about an elder Demon communicating with his nephew on how to claim souls for their 'father below.' If you're not afraid to open your mind to a different way of thinking that is. Here's one of my favorite quotes from that book; the preface:





7. But the bible says that God knows what we need and has it on the way so that it will always arrive on time. Scientifically, the only way He could accomplish this is He must be able to see the future. Maybe He figured out how to bend Time? I know a lot of Christians would find it sacrilege for me to suggest that maybe God has to obey the same laws of nature, space, time etc that we do. The scientist in me finds Him more intriguing if that's the case. And my faith in Him and His plan is just as strong as any others.





I would consider myself a scientist since I do practice the scientific method.





But not the traditional scientist sporting a lab coat and playing with test tubes all day. I spend a lot of my studies asking 'what if?' It's funny, I'm 49 and people say I look like I'm in my early 30's. I do work out five days a week and I'm at the same playing weight as I was as a Running Back in High school. But it's more to do with the mind. I never want to become stagnant or stop learning. I'll pick anyone's brain and consider what they have to say. You never know what you might learn if you keep an open mind.





Seek and you shall find is what Jesus said. I'll never stop asking why or what if. And I don't think God finds it offensive to do so. As long as I trust that His plan will work out then I'll be fine. Sorry for the book! And I'm sure I lost about 90% of ADD DTers after the first sentence. But I do enjoy the discussion and intelligent debate.


One final thing about my Faith in God. If we are no more than animals then how do you explain how you feel when you hear that song that really touches your heart? Or how your heart jumps when you kiss that girl that you're head over heels for? Why would a man tear up watching Saving Private Ryan when the Medic is hit and is crying out for his mama? (If you didn't you have no soul and are on a fast track to hell ) What makes a Soldier risk his precious life for his buddy? There's more to us than just eating, drinking, sex and sleeping. We think, we invent, we dream, we laugh, we cry, we Love. I just have a hard time believing that we are a random act of nature. That math, in my mind, just doesn't add up.

I'm asking for proof about the statement you just made "the human body after death to all its basic components there is 1 percent missing that cannot be explained."

 

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i just watched bambi 45 minutes ago and i cried in it, i have a soul

then i watched Milo and Otis and i laughed at the funny parts, i can has a soul