There is no "no" answer to those who play mid/hib.

 

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Alb heal procs are honestly pretty ridiculous when combined with plate armor. On my Paladin the Friar heal proc is basically godmode against light tanks. As in, I could turn on my chant macro against four enemy blademasters and go AFK for ten minutes, and as long as they didn't use sidestun on me I'd still be alive.

and mez reduction

 

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Tell me what Alb class gets Timerd endo redux, reactive and offensive heal procs, style heals AND mez reduction? Sure wish my Friar had that.

Anyways, how often do you see Friars in RvR groups anyways? Rare do I see any Friars with less than 39 staff, usually they are all PvE Friars.

No, reactive heal procs were given to Friars to make them more desireable in groups, and even if they DO get into a non-zerg group, they are usually expected to have high rejuv/enhance and very little staff. Most Friars like to whoop up on stuff, thats why they have a big honkin staff to start with.

 

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People use friars as bots every day.Many run bot a friar and a cleric bot and use duration gear to enhance the classes beyond the other 2 realms.

Hib has NO unique timered buffs that another class can run around with (blah blah dmg add who cares champ lvl ones fine) mid only has a offensive dd proc timered buff IF you are running a valk bot.

Alb has 3 unique timered buffs that last a long time and greatly effect the outcome of a fight.Ever see a armsmen/pally use friar heal proc on top of heal proc armor and have virtually unlimited endurance to spam anything?

BTW I play all 3 realms so this is not a bias post but just stating facts so enjoy.

 

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The problem I see with depending on having a bot to group and ungroup for a timered buff is that by the time you get to a fight (if you are boating especially), the buff is allready 1/2 gone. Unless you have are staying very near a port location (like keep roaming), that Arms/Pally is going to run out of that buff before he can get into more than a couple of fights.

Should an 8man use the Friar buff-bot situation, they are going to lose the buff shortly into thier roaming time and will remain Friar buffless for the rest of thier roaming (short of staying close to a port to get the bot to buff em again).

This limits where they can go if they are depending on that buff to be up. +25% duration to a 20 minute buff is still only 5 more minutes, might be one or possible 2 more fights if they are quick.

No, I have never knowingly witnessed the multi-heal proc situation you describe outside of actually having a friar IN the group.

I see what you are saying, but this is just a side effect of giving Friars something to make them useful to groups. I only 1/2 like the idea of the timered group buffs becoming range-dependant, like conc-based buffs were on Classic. I like using the timer buffs myself from my BG buffbot, but again, its too short of a duration to get many meaningful fights out of it.

 

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This would be a "lolab" thing mainly but will work well around keeps and bridges.





This is more of a solo and small man issue as these buffs will have minimal impact on a 8v8 etc.





Again this would be for lab,bridge camping and around keeps situation.





Wait till you finally bump into a pally/arms etc with heal proc suit and friar heal proc its fairly ridiculous.





The issue is the buffs should of been chants instead of timered buffs IE skald has endo redux that is a chant and requires said skald to be in group as a example the situation changes with the friar because you don't need to group him to have the same effect and can solo with the same boosts.

Also there are 0 heal proc buffs in the other 2 realms all together and alb has 2 classes with this "sticky" buff.

 

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should make the friar timers chants. Problem solved

 

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Quote, "No. These aren't Overpowered, I'm a crybaby Alb only player"


Cry baby Alb? What are you 10 years old?


What kind of moron would make a statement like that in a pole?


BTW, I have characters in all 3 realms and although Friar can be fun it is not my favorite, and Cleric is NOT my favorite class by a wide margin.

I voted that everyone should get both defensive and offensive procs. However, I think some changes need to be made to the system as a whole. As a Gaheris player, druids getting the cleric heal proc would be all sorts of awesome, as would wardens getting the friar heal proc (since Druid and Warden are my two primary bots, my sham and cleric are hardly ever used anymore).


That said, a way to balance it would be nice. I think hib/mid should get access to it (and have friar's group endo buff turned into a chant like mib/hib have to suffer through), but some way of spreading it out onto a different class should be looked into.

 

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