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Vayze
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I always thought with Warhammer they should have went with all factions against each other like the tabletop game.

Seemed like they could have outdone daoc, imagine 6 realm rvr

Grats Daoc! Still waiting for another company to actually come out with a rvr game...
gervaise1  1 star
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Remember this is just a poll.


In NoName Town yesterday 80% of people polled (sample size 5) declared that Tiddlywinks was the greatest computer game ever ....


The reality isn't supported by the $$$$ which is the only poll that really matters. Blizzard had a good fan based and a good rep for making good games BUT they also showed what could be done. The long, long for all intents and purposes unlimited open beta with no NDA generated huge 'free' publicity, word of mouth, feedback and so on.


Those who tried it and didn't like it had no reason to buy the game thereby eliminating swaiths of unhappy customers - compared to a secretive, over hyped game that folks have to spend $ to try and when they find it doesn't live up to expectations they .... complain.


Those who decided to buy the game had confidence so much so that Blizzard being overwhelmed by demand didn't stop WoW being a success. Blizzard also apologised, handed out free credit, said they would get new servers in days and then delivered namely in stark contrast to anything that EA Mythic did.


Makes it hard to dismiss those who say that it was Mythic that failed rather than WAR.
Vayze
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Come on Blizzard make a rvr game already!
Zyzyg  1 star
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I wonder how the results would change when factors such as paying 2-3 times to be competitive are considered.
The PvP used to be the best, then many imbalances were thrown in and never fixed. The pendulum always swings all the way left or all the way right and it usually gets stuck for extended periods of time (see also Warlock, Bainshee, Dragonfang, shield slam, etc...)

It's a shame they couldn't seem to find balance for all players and all playstyles.

 

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Devaster-S-  1 star
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How did UO or AC not win this award?! Maybe they weren't included in this decade? They came out at the end of the 1990's decade though.

edit: While I continue to play DAoC and love it, UO will always be my favorite PvP MMO of all time. Unfortunately the developers went down a different track and watered down the PvP too much or made it entirely not worth my time. But there are whispers of a classic UO shard (a bit like SP I guess, but going back to a time when PvP was supreme) and I will be there if that classic shard releases.

 

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AlbionFireWizard
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Just imagine if they actually spent some money and advertised the game?!
Windwalkr  1 star
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Devaster-S- posted:

How did UO or AC not win this award?! Maybe they weren't included in this decade? They came out at the end of the 1990's decade though.

edit: While I continue to play DAoC and love it, UO will always be my favorite PvP MMO of all time. Unfortunately the developers went down a different track and watered down the PvP too much or made it entirely not worth my time. But there are whispers of a classic UO shard (a bit like SP I guess, but going back to a time when PvP was supreme) and I will be there if that classic shard releases.



I would have to agree with some of this, but you have to also realize the constraint that TTH put on it that pretty much excludes UO. I personally consider UO to be the best PvP MMO ever, but I also admit that I'm highly biased by my own experiences and the general newness of graphical MMOs at the time.

DAoC really isn't much of a PvP game, but obviously much more RvR focused. I didn't play AC very much, but in this category I have to hold DAoC as the de facto standard that for some inexplicable reason no other MMO company has managed to copy...much less evolve or improve upon.

It isn't all about the 3 realms either, but many other things such as the large-scale RvR battles with relatively little lag (as compared to other games).

For example, I really liked AoC's PvP combat system, it was the most refreshing system I've played since UO/DAoC. It was/is quite deep, fast-paced, and requires significant player-skill. However, large-scale open field PvP was very rare for most players, and thus PvP was usually focused around bind-points in one high-level zone (at least for about the first year) or *blech* canned instanced GvG. I was in a major guild for ~6 months and we had but a handful of siege fights, which despite being severely limited instanced events, still suffered from massive lag issues. They also started down the evil road of making rare items & PvP rank way too important to PvP combat success (hugely discouraging casual gamers), and are quite famous for wielding a Nerf bat the size of Texas...and they swing it very arbitrarily too often totally gutting or completely OPing a class in a single patch.


In short, while I will always long for the return of an open world MMO like UO, I strongly believe DAoC deserves the award for best RvR MMO of all time. (Since "of the decade" for true graphical MMO's really means "of all time", well short of only UO & AC basically but neither of those were RvR IMO.)

 

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Hammer9999
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Gratz mythic.

The 3 sides thing is great but where daoc really shines is that it feels like a real war between races, not something contrived like arenas or warhammer's lakes and all your lands were at stake... aside from the rear pve areas of course, but its easy enough to forget about them when you are in the frontier.
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Jumo_007 posted:

Imagine if it had Blizzard money

Imagine if it had ANY money.

 

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It's not the truth that Blizzard didn't prelaunch advertise WoW. They did. There was a huge really public open beta (one of their success reasons) and advertisements in the media as well.

( OT: ...and this pre-release phase of WoW lead to the first venom spiting and rupture through the german community, between the DAoC Loyalists and WoW Changers. As I observed it the community never recovered fully back to its original purity and uniqueness. One reason for my hmmmm.. resentments against Blizz ... but ok, thats another story and just a single opinion.)

@DAoC

Oh Oh... A proof for getting old is when they start to decorate you with medals and awards

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