Arawon posted:
RVR is why this game still exists.PVE is everywhere and free in a growing number of great pve games.
AngharadMacsen posted:
The only people affected by Relics now are the RvR'ers.
It's not like you have a PvE penalty for having no relics. Hell, the only RvR penalty you have for no relics is that the other guy has a big bonus - you still hit just as hard as you ever did, and can kill him just as fast as you ever could. Assuming, of course, that he doesn't kill you first with his boosted dps.
What relics do now is encourage people to switch realms to "follow the relics" for the extra magic/melee damage you get from extras, not from any penalty you get from having few/none of the things.
jhonto posted:
The point of having them have serious effects to the game balance, is to provide motivation for realms to go and retake them. If you nerf them to the point that all they do is affect RP scores etc, then you take away that incentive, and ensure the only thing affected is the folks RvRing rather than the whole realm. Losing your relics is supposed to hurt. Players are supposed to care, and if they are only inconvenienced slighly or unaffected entirely, then they won't care at all.
The point of having them have serious effects to the game balance, is to provide motivation for realms to go and retake them. If you nerf them to the point that all they do is affect RP scores etc, then you take away that incentive, and ensure the only thing affected is the folks RvRing rather than the whole realm. Losing your relics is supposed to hurt. Players are supposed to care, and if they are only inconvenienced slighly or unaffected entirely, then they won't care at all.
The only people affected by Relics now are the RvR'ers.
It's not like you have a PvE penalty for having no relics. Hell, the only RvR penalty you have for no relics is that the other guy has a big bonus - you still hit just as hard as you ever did, and can kill him just as fast as you ever could. Assuming, of course, that he doesn't kill you first with his boosted dps.
What relics do now is encourage people to switch realms to "follow the relics" for the extra magic/melee damage you get from extras, not from any penalty you get from having few/none of the things.
RVR is why this game still exists.PVE is everywhere and free in a growing number of great pve games.
And your point is? Note that I was responding to the statement that "If you nerf them to the point that all they do is affect RP scores etc, then you take away that incentive, and ensure the only thing affected is the folks RvRing rather than the whole realm."
Fact is, the relics have never had an impact on "the whole realm". They've always been "only thing affected is the folks RvRing".
There aren't many changes to the relics that could be made that would have any impact beyond "only thing affected is the folks RvRing". Other than, of course, removing all significance to them. Even changing relics to an XP bonus wouldn't do much for the people other than "only thing affected is the folks RvRing", since the people who need XP generally can't RvR, and the XP'ers who do RvR can PL just fine, with or without an XP bonus....
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