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Placentaburrito  1 star
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Date Posted: 1/1/00 12:00am Subject: June Producer's Letter
Advertising,Advertising,Advertising! Why is advertising not planned for this 10 year anniversary. I came back on my own after 6 years because one day i got a sudden itch and i got hooked again. Ive met alot of returning players and with an advertising push maybe you can bring alot of old subs and maybe some new ones.


Come on mythic,make some posters and buy some ads
ArkadyTepes  3 stars
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Registered: 2004-1-10 11:08:57
 Date Posted: 1/1/00 12:00am Subject: June Producer's Letter
Placentaburrito posted:
Advertising,Advertising,Advertising! Why is advertising not planned for this 10 year anniversary. I came back on my own after 6 years because one day i got a sudden itch and i got hooked again. Ive met alot of returning players and with an advertising push maybe you can bring alot of old subs and maybe some new ones.

Come on mythic,make some posters and buy some ads



it has been explained time and time again on this and many other forums...

mythic doesnt have alot of money... advertising costs MONEY...

in the past all advertising campaigns cost more money then they brought in via new subscriptions... so the company was actualy worse off after running ads...

now today... even if an ad campaign actualy worked... and brought in new players...

Mythic doesnt have the staff, or resources to support a larger playerbase... ywain would become packed full and laggy with a que.. and mythic doesnt have the money or staff to put up another server.

right now its more about maintaining what they have then trying to increase playerbase.

 

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Semi4  3 stars
Posts: 566
Registered: 2003-8-8 13:58:29
 Date Posted: 1/1/00 12:00am Subject: June Producer's Letter
Placentaburrito posted:
Advertising,Advertising,Advertising! Why is advertising not planned for this 10 year anniversary. I came back on my own after 6 years because one day i got a sudden itch and i got hooked again. Ive met alot of returning players and with an advertising push maybe you can bring alot of old subs and maybe some new ones.


Come on mythic,make some posters and buy some ads

Advertising DAoC is pointless.


Ever watch Kitchen Nightmares where there is a rotten restaurant that makes food that looks like it is regurgitated and the customers describe the taste as horrible? All the advertisement in the world will not get very many repeat customers.


DAoC is the same way. DAoC is a great concept, if not the greatest game concept, but it has been horribly implemented and it has been twisted into something that the typical MMO player does not find fun.


Advertising something that most will not like, it is just a silly waste of money. Advertising DAoC will bring in some noobs but they will quickly depart and after they leave they will tell all their friends about the stupid cow poop that is being advertised as if it were something great.


The graphs show that DAoC began dieing about 10-12 months after launch and based on the evidence of Mythic’s actions Mythic has never understood why the game began to die. Not only is Mythic clueless as to why the game is dieing, with most changes that Mythic implemented Mythic usually did more harm than good driving away more and more players.


The game today is a twisted hodgepodge of eclectic garbage that has a bug infested and neglected feel.


Just because there is a small minority of game players that will over look all the psychotic stupidity in DAoC does not mean advertising the game would do any good.


The game needs to be fixed before advertisement would be of any value and the existing game is so damaged the only way to actually repair things would be to start over (I.E. Origin or DAoC 2).

 

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ZepHead205
Posts: 31
Registered: 2008-12-28 21:58:09
 Date Posted: 1/1/00 12:00am Subject: June Producer's Letter
Semi4 posted:
The game today is a twisted hodgepodge of eclectic garbage that has a bug infested and neglected feel.

Just because there is a small minority of game players that will over look all the psychotic stupidity in DAoC does not mean advertising the game would do any good.



eclectic garbage psychotic stupidity really? That's a bit of a reach... someones mad. DAoC may have some problems, but it's a 10yr old mmo; what do you expect? Everyone should quit bitching and just play the game for what it is. If you don't like the state of DAoC follow the lemmings to WoW. With the small amount of money it actually takes to fund DAoC EA will keep it around as long as people pay the subscription.

Advertising won't help DAoC; nothing will. Sure they'll lure in the occasional new player who's friend has told them how epic the game used to be. Aside from that it's only veterans left, and there's nothing wrong with that imo. The game still has nice action 24/7, if you still enjoy it then play; if not move on and stop lingering around VN.

 

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Semi4  3 stars
Posts: 566
Registered: 2003-8-8 13:58:29
 Date Posted: 1/1/00 12:00am Subject: June Producer's Letter
ZepHead205 posted:
Semi4 posted:
The game today is a twisted hodgepodge of eclectic garbage that has a bug infested and neglected feel.


Just because there is a small minority of game players that will over look all the psychotic stupidity in DAoC does not mean advertising the game would do any good.



eclectic garbage psychotic stupidity really? That's a bit of a reach... someones mad.


It is accurate. Many things that Mythic has done to the game have been psychotic. Many parts of the game are a hodgepodge and other parts are eclectic and other parts (and both) also constitute a bit of garbage.


Accuracy and reality do not require anger.


DAoC may have some problems, but it's a 10yr old mmo; what do you expect?


This is an old, tired and lame excuse. WoW is not much younger than DAoC and WoW (at its 6 year point) has 10 million +++ subs while the better game concept of DAoC has a tiny fraction of the market. At DAoC’s 6 year mark DAoC was dieing. If DAoC were managed properly it could have a much larger portion of the market. DAoC need not be dieing. This all should all be self-evident.


Everyone should quit bitching and just play the game for what it is. If you don't like the state of DAoC follow the lemmings to WoW.


Unfortunately this attitude leads to a dead/dieing game. Also unfortunately, most at Mythic seem to feel the same way but I have always found evidence that Mythic is both a bit psychotic and self-destructive.


With the small amount of money it actually takes to fund DAoC EA will keep it around as long as people pay the subscription.


If by “pay the subscription” you mean ’profitable’, yes EA will probably keep DAoC around as long as DAoC is profitable.


Advertising won't help DAoC;


Very true. With the existing state of DAoC, “Advertising won't help DAoC”


nothing will.


Not true. There are things that could be done for the game that would increase subscriptions but it is very doubtful that EA or DAoC understands enough about player/customer psychology to accomplish that which needs to be done (even if EA was willing to spend the money it is unlikely those at EA or Mythic have the necessary understanding).


Sure they'll lure in the occasional new player who's friend has told them how epic the game used to be. Aside from that it's only veterans left, and there's nothing wrong with that imo. The game still has nice action 24/7, if you still enjoy it then play;


Very true.


if not move on and stop lingering around VN.


Again the sad mantra of Mythic, and it has not done well for Mythic.

 

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ZepHead205
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Registered: 2008-12-28 21:58:09
 Date Posted: 1/1/00 12:00am Subject: June Producer's Letter
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ZepHead205
Posts: 31
Registered: 2008-12-28 21:58:09
 Date Posted: 1/1/00 12:00am Subject: June Producer's Letter
Sigh

 

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ZepHead205
Posts: 31
Registered: 2008-12-28 21:58:09
 Date Posted: 1/1/00 12:00am Subject: June Producer's Letter
Sigh

 

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Alb Lancelot since Feb. '01
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angryranger  2 stars
Posts: 472
Registered: 2003-3-29 19:17:07
 Date Posted: 1/1/00 12:00am Subject: June Producer's Letter
ZepHead205 posted:
Semi4 posted:
The game today is a twisted hodgepodge of eclectic garbage that has a bug infested and neglected feel.


Just because there is a small minority of game players that will over look all the psychotic stupidity in DAoC does not mean advertising the game would do any good.



eclectic garbage psychotic stupidity really? That's a bit of a reach... someones mad. DAoC may have some problems, but it's a 10yr old mmo; what do you expect? Everyone should quit bitching and just play the game for what it is. If you don't like the state of DAoC follow the lemmings to WoW. With the small amount of money it actually takes to fund DAoC EA will keep it around as long as people pay the subscription.


Advertising won't help DAoC; nothing will. Sure they'll lure in the occasional new player who's friend has told them how epic the game used to be. Aside from that it's only veterans left, and there's nothing wrong with that imo. The game still has nice action 24/7, if you still enjoy it then play; if not move on and stop lingering around VN.



The game is a mess, which is why the game population is so pathetic. Many of us are looking at free shards instead. Mythic's incompetence and deceit destroyed this game, Semi is correct. the stupidity they demonstrated borders on criminal.
ZepHead205
Posts: 31
Registered: 2008-12-28 21:58:09
 Date Posted: 1/1/00 12:00am Subject: June Producer's Letter
Semi4 posted:
ZepHead205 posted:
Semi4 posted:


The game today is a twisted hodgepodge of eclectic garbage that has a bug infested and neglected feel.

Just because there is a small minority of game players that will over look all the psychotic stupidity in DAoC does not mean advertising the game would do any good.



eclectic garbage psychotic stupidity really? That's a bit of a reach... someones mad.

It is accurate. Many things that Mythic has done to the game have been psychotic. Many parts of the game are a hodgepodge and other parts are eclectic and other parts (and both) also constitute a bit of garbage.

Accuracy and reality do not require anger.

Please elaborate on this?

This is an old, tired and lame excuse. WoW is not much younger than DAoC and WoW (at its 6 year point) has 10 million +++ subs while the better game concept of DAoC has a tiny fraction of the market. At DAoC’s 6 year mark DAoC was dieing. If DAoC were managed properly it could have a much larger portion of the market. DAoC need not be dieing. This all should all be self-evident.

You can't compare WoW to DAoC or any game for that matter. It's in a league of its own; any game could be considered dieing compared to WoW population. Countless factors lead to WoW coming out on top; imo mainly the surge of people learning how to build their own computers and the emergence of sites such as Newegg, Tigerdirect etc.

Unfortunately this attitude leads to a dead/dieing game. Also unfortunately, most at Mythic seem to feel the same way but I have always found evidence that Mythic is both a bit psychotic and self-destructive.

What other attitude should we have? People are smart enough to realize they are NEVER going to pump more money into DAoC. The profits margins are just to low. Self-destructive I agree with; this can't be argued. But again it was the early days of mmos trial and error we're prevelant. Mythic/EA just didn't realize what a great product they had pre TOA before it was to late.

Not true. There are things that could be done for the game that would increase subscriptions but it is very doubtful that EA or DAoC understands enough about player/customer psychology to accomplish that which needs to be done (even if EA was willing to spend the money it is unlikely those at EA or Mythic have the necessary understanding).

Plausible suggestions? and please don't say DAoC 2 / Origins.

 

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