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Author Topic: Mythic, It's been more then 10 years.. Give us a gd "craft all" option. [Locked]
AngharadMacsen  1 star
Posts: 155
Registered: 2003-3-11 08:41:31
Sosee posted:

I support the craft all option for the following reasons:

1. It is not a mandatory option.



Neither is wearing armour in RvR. Oddly enough, everyone does it.


Sosee posted:

2. It will offer players a certain increased measure of convenience.



Even more convenient: if you don't want to craft, don't.


Sosee posted:

3. It will not impact PvP directly.



Neither would allowing afk farming.


Sosee posted:

6. It should help to reduce the frequency of third party programs being used, at least with regard to crafting.



The argument that making what is now a cheat into something legitimate is a good thing because it'll reduce cheating is specious.


Sosee posted:

The Cons:

1. Current LGMs may feel their contribution to the game and level of commitment to crafting is being devalued.



Can't see this as meaningful, myself. Of course, making anything easier allows for those who did it the hard way to sneer at those who had it in "easy-mode".


Sosee posted:

2. It will allow for more crafters to reach higher levels of crafting easier. (Yes I consider making it easier to reach a highest level a con in most situations)



So? More crafters isn't an issue unless the new crafters actually craft for the public. Once upon a time, most crafters DID craft for the public. Later, it just became a benchmark to hit : level 50 - check, CL 10 - check, ML10 - check, LGM-whatever - check. But most of the guys who became crafters just because they could didn't craft for anyone but themselves (and, frankly, wasted the time and coin they spent getting to LGM - it's cheaper and quicker to hire a crafter than to become one, unless you craft a LOT).

My biggest objection to a "craft all" button is that the only meaningful argument that can be made is that it'll reduce cheating by changing the definition of cheating to not include crafting. By the same token, Mythic could justify selling RP for real-world dollars just to eliminate people who RP-farm themselves. Or selling plat for real-world dollars to eliminate the plat-farmers. It's the wrong way to solve the problem.

Note, by the way, that I can see a way to take advantage of this option already - buy diamond seals, salvage (possibly using craft-all button, possibly not), then trinket the diamond bars using craft-all. One person's inventory can allow you to manufacture 17P or so, and all it'll take is one typed-in command and walk away from the keyboard for three hours.

 

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Merideath
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Registered: 2005-6-29 07:33:31
Sosee posted:

3. It will not impact PvP directly.



This is not totally true. More people crafting because crafting will have gone from "easy mode" to "super stupid lazy mode" would have a direct impact on RvR in that more people would have templates much sooner. I'm not saying that having templates much sooner would be a bad thing, just that it would be a direct impact.


Sosee posted:

4. It should be a fairly simple code to create. (Its in other games and has been for years)



I'm not sure that I agree with this statement either. While creating the button and including the function into the code itself might not be too terribly difficult, the changes to the existing code might create massive problems. The DAoC devs have far more important things to tinker with than spending hours thinking of the various other codes that might be effect or have an impact because of the addition of the button.

The fact that it is in other games is not really relevant. That's like saying that WoW should have true RvR because DAoC has had it for a decade. If those "other games" have features that people like, those people are free to play those "other games."


Sosee posted:

6. It should help to reduce the frequency of third party programs being used, at least with regard to crafting.



This is not entirely true either. Third party programs would still be required for total use of the "craft all" feature. Without the third party program you would only be "crafting some." You would not actually be able to "craft all" at high levels without the third party program because you would LD before the process was completed under the current game coding. Once again, the solution would require more than just coding for the one button.


Sosee posted:

As a side note I am somewhat undecided about suggesting that the Craft all mechanic somehow be assigned to become available after reaching a certain plateau along the way to LGM. IE: At SC 750 a player "unlocks" the craft all option thus making the journey from 751 to LGM and post LGM crafting work less labor intensive for them.



If they were going to do anything, I'd hope that they did just the opposite of what you claim. Give people the "craft all" button UNTIL they reach a certain level. At least I can conceive of some benefits to this approach without the need to worry about some of coding problems that the other would involve.


AngharadMacsen posted:

Note, by the way, that I can see a way to take advantage of this option already - buy diamond seals, salvage (possibly using craft-all button, possibly not), then trinket the diamond bars using craft-all. One person's inventory can allow you to manufacture 17P or so, and all it'll take is one typed-in command and walk away from the keyboard for three hours.



Great responses. The only comment that I can make is that you wouldn't come back three hours later to find everything trinketed, you'd come back 20 minutes later to find that you LD'ed when you had just gotten started.

 

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YouMightSeeMe  2 stars
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Registered: 2009-2-27 19:08:13
Merideath posted:

Great responses. The only comment that I can make is that you wouldn't come back three hours later to find everything trinketed, you'd come back 20 minutes later to find that you LD'ed when you had just gotten started.

 

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Registered: 2004-8-30 11:56:38
Download an auto clicker and win.

 

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YouMightSeeMe  2 stars
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Registered: 2009-2-27 19:08:13
I guess if people have to go that far it's sad. I would not use it, but it's probably undetectable.

 

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AngharadMacsen  1 star
Posts: 155
Registered: 2003-3-11 08:41:31
Merideath posted:

AngharadMacsen posted:

Note, by the way, that I can see a way to take advantage of this option already - buy diamond seals, salvage (possibly using craft-all button, possibly not), then trinket the diamond bars using craft-all. One person's inventory can allow you to manufacture 17P or so, and all it'll take is one typed-in command and walk away from the keyboard for three hours.



Great responses. The only comment that I can make is that you wouldn't come back three hours later to find everything trinketed, you'd come back 20 minutes later to find that you LD'ed when you had just gotten started.



One day last week, I got on to do some crafting. About five minutes later, the daughter turned on the TV, and I noticed that they were showing an NCIS episode I'd never seen.
So, I got up, walked over and plunked down in front of the TV to watch it, without bothering to log out.
An hour later, I came back to the comp, and I was still swaying in the breeze in Housing....

 

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YouMightSeeMe  2 stars
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Registered: 2009-2-27 19:08:13
Well, thats something they would have to fix when they implement "craft all".


I got a good insider tip that craftings in line to get love in 2-4 patches, and craft all is going to be part of it

 

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