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jhonto  1 star
Posts: 143
Registered: 2008-8-24 19:58:52
I am recently returned to the game. I signed up, transferred my main characters over to Ywain1 - since nothing told me this was a bad idea or why - and then transferred the rest of my characters over to Ywain10, all on Midgard (I have characters on the other 2 realms but nothing there interests me enough to leave Midgard). Here's the problems:

* Ywain1 is of course out of housing spaces. I spent about 5 or so hours riding around looking for a housing lot I could put a small house on. As a returning player I don't have the 90p or so required to snaffle a lot as soon as it comes along of course, I can barely afford the 300g + 1p to get a small house. It didn't matter though as I didn't find a single lot available in any of the zones.
* I do have a house on Ywain10 that belongs to my main character who was copied there. I can bind any of my Y10 characters there without a problem.
* I can also bind any of my Y1 characters there, but there are problems. First off, while I can bind, the game seems to lose the bind in a lot of cases, with no recognizable pattern. If I log in a Y1 character bound to the Y10 house, about 50% of the time I arrive in front of the right lot, but on Y1 instead of Y10. This is next to useless. One of my characters has never been able to return there, the others seem to sometimes but again with no discernible pattern for when it fails.

Now, if there were lots available on Ywain1 and if the Camelot Herald wasn't completely broken with no apparent likelihood of ever getting fixed so its impossible to search for an empty lot by any other means than riding there, this might not be a problem. However, since the lots are all full now apparently, and since there is no way to move a character permanently from any one Ywain to another (so we could spread out to even the load on housing), there is no way for my characters on Ywain1 to have access to a house with any reliability. The only way for me to gain access is to use the Channeler to switch Ywains, then ride the damned horse out to the zone, then ride my personal horse out to my lot every single time.

This is broken. Its beyond broken. I tried an appeal to a CSR and was informed that "cross server binding is not supported". i.e. its broken and they don't give enough of a damn to bother trying to fix it. I submitted a ticket but I don't expect anything to come of it. If they can't even replace a website like a professional company, how the hell are they gonna resolve problems?

I doubt if anyone else cares but I thought I should post it, in case there is some workaround to avoid the lost /housebound bug, and to point out to others that the whole system is screwed.

My suggested solutions:
* If they are unable to (or unwilling to be bothered to) actually fix this bug making cross server binds working and supported, then I would suggest they put a Channeler allowing you to switch Ywains in each zone market place so at least the time lost when this happens is a bit reduced.
* Alternatively give us a new shared vaultspace (make it limited to a smaller number of items if its necessary) placed in the capital cities right near the current vault NPC. That way the ability to trade items (and allowing trade of money would be a nice addition. the sort of thing thats present in every other MMO out there) is eased, and perhaps more lots will open up as people get rid of their houses. The ability to trade items between my characters is the ONLY reason I have a house. I make potions on one character, salvage on another, and need to trade seals, items and potions to my other characters. (I do have stuff up on a CM but have yet to sell a single thing, so I could lose that without much problem).

Of course this isn't PvP related, or realm balance related, or class related etc, so I expect it would be very low on the list sadly

 

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poenadare  2 stars
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Registered: 2001-11-5 08:09:53
If your Y1 chars are not guilded:

1) Make Guild

2) Have Y10 char give house to guild.

3) Put Y1 chars in guild.

4) If in housing zone first port to Y10 and then port to guild house. If outside housing you don't have to worry about it.

If guilded SOL.

I never could figure out why house binds are lost only sometimes. The only positive result I had: Lvl 1 mules that would occasional lose their house bind I deleted, recreated, and the problem went away. That wasn't much of a fix.

 

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jhonto  1 star
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Registered: 2008-8-24 19:58:52
Sadly all of my characters are guilded, and in a great guild full of folks I like. Otherwise I would get a guild of my own and turn my house into a guild house, problem solved.

 

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[colorurple]My comments in purple[/color]


jhonto posted:

I am recently returned to the game. I signed up, transferred my main characters over to Ywain1 - since nothing told me this was a bad idea or why - and then transferred the rest of my characters over to Ywain10, all on Midgard (I have characters on the other 2 realms but nothing there interests me enough to leave Midgard). Here's the problems:


* Ywain1 is of course out of housing spaces. I spent about 5 or so hours riding around looking for a housing lot I could put a small house on. As a returning player I don't have the 90p or so required to snaffle a lot as soon as it comes along of course, I can barely afford the 300g + 1p to get a small house. It didn't matter though as I didn't find a single lot available in any of the zones.

* I do have a house on Ywain10 that belongs to my main character who was copied there. I can bind any of my Y10 characters there without a problem.

* I can also bind any of my Y1 characters there, but there are problems. First off, while I can bind, the game seems to lose the bind in a lot of cases, with no recognizable pattern. If I log in a Y1 character bound to the Y10 house, about 50% of the time I arrive in front of the right lot, but on Y1 instead of Y10. This is next to useless. One of my characters has never been able to return there, the others seem to sometimes but again with no discernible pattern for when it fails.


Now, if there were lots available on Ywain1 and if the Camelot Herald wasn't completely broken with no apparent likelihood of ever getting fixed so its impossible to search for an empty lot by any other means than riding there, this might not be a problem. However, since the lots are all full now apparently, and since there is no way to move a character permanently from any one Ywain to another (so we could spread out to even the load on housing), there is no way for my characters on Ywain1 to have access to a house with any reliability. The only way for me to gain access is to use the Channeler to switch Ywains, then ride the damned horse out to the zone, then ride my personal horse out to my lot every single time.


[colorurple] Yes they need to add housing lots but unfortunately the way they designed housing they can’t simply add lots. They need to add entire housing zones and that means huge amounts of artwork, design work, horse routes, etc. . . . and Mythic does not really have the resourses to do much of anything anymore.

Edit: and it was tremendously self-destructive for them to take down the housing search feature of the old Herald before they got the new Herald up and running. . . just wacko of Mythic/Bioware. It is strange that Bioware is in charge yet it is still typical Mythic.[/color]


This is broken. Its beyond broken. I tried an appeal to a CSR and was informed that "cross server binding is not supported". i.e. its broken and they don't give enough of a damn to bother trying to fix it. I submitted a ticket but I don't expect anything to come of it. If they can't even replace a website like a professional company, how the hell are they gonna resolve problems?


I doubt if anyone else cares but I thought I should post it, in case there is some workaround to avoid the lost /housebound bug, and to point out to others that the whole system is screwed.


My suggested solutions:

* If they are unable to (or unwilling to be bothered to) actually fix this bug making cross server binds working and supported, then I would suggest they put a Channeler allowing you to switch Ywains in each zone market place so at least the time lost when this happens is a bit reduced.


[colorurple]As a band-aid it would be better to give everyone a 'switch server spell' that is usable in housing only. There is really no reason players should need to hunt a Channeler in order to switch Ywains. I understand the immersion of needing to find a Channeler but with the bugs that exist and the frustration those bugs cause, Mythic should have long ago just given the bloody characters the ability to call a spell and specify which Ywain. [/color]


* Alternatively give us a new shared vaultspace (make it limited to a smaller number of items if its necessary) placed in the capital cities right near the current vault NPC. That way the ability to trade items (and allowing trade of money would be a nice addition. the sort of thing thats present in every other MMO out there) is eased, and perhaps more lots will open up as people get rid of their houses. The ability to trade items between my characters is the ONLY reason I have a house. I make potions on one character, salvage on another, and need to trade seals, items and potions to my other characters. (I do have stuff up on a CM but have yet to sell a single thing, so I could lose that without much problem).


[colorurple] Mail has been something that players have begged for (and begged for and begged for, etc. . . .). This too is something that Mythic has refused. They make all sorts of excuses why they cant make it work (lame excuses). Shared vault space has been thrown into the ring as an alternative to mail, but Mythic wont budge.[/color]



[colorurple]You are totally correct. Unfortunately Mythic has never gone the full mile when it comes to bugs and other frustrating things. They go half way, shrug their shoulders, get bored/frustrated messing with old problems and move on to more fun things. Mythic also has the habit taking one step forward and two steps back, and then taking out a gun and shooting at their feet for having the nerve to move backward. Only when they are bleeding to death from self-inflicted injuries do they give a happy smile of a job well done.


I feel your pain and players have been feeling these types of pains from shortly after launch of the game. Not these exact problems, just the pain of problems being ignored.


Today DAoC no longer has the resources to delve into most of the things players find frustrating. I am sorry to say that there is a high probability you are just going to have to live with things the way they are.[/color]

 

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Cernos  1 star
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One workaround would be to make sure you log out in Jordheim (or another town, but Jordheim works best). Then all you need to do is use the channeler there to switch Ywain's (if necessary) and return to your hearth bind. If you put a teleporter in your house it makes it easier to quickly port to Jordheim before you log. Irritating to have to do this I know, but it's better than long horse rides.

And yeah, they should create a spell that allows players to switch Ywain's themselves without needing a channeler, this would solve a lot of problems for minimal coding effort.
poenadare  2 stars
Posts: 381
Registered: 2001-11-5 08:09:53
Cernos - you're saying that logging out outside of the housing zone keeps your hearth bind from being wiped? I need to try that.

 

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jhonto  1 star
Posts: 143
Registered: 2008-8-24 19:58:52
Cernos posted:

One workaround would be to make sure you log out in Jordheim (or another town, but Jordheim works best). Then all you need to do is use the channeler there to switch Ywain's (if necessary) and return to your hearth bind. If you put a teleporter in your house it makes it easier to quickly port to Jordheim before you log. Irritating to have to do this I know, but it's better than long horse rides.

And yeah, they should create a spell that allows players to switch Ywain's themselves without needing a channeler, this would solve a lot of problems for minimal coding effort.



Well if logging in Jordheim helps preserve my Hearth Bind then that is a workaround I can live with. The problem is that my hearth bind appears to be lost entirely on some characters. My SB Hastinng is a Y1 character, but when bound in my Y10 house, loses his hearth bind entirely once I relog. So when I return and attempt to go to the house via either my house bind stone in his inventory, or via a Gothi (Housing->Hearth Bind), nothing happens because its gone from the database entirely apparently. This isn't always true for some of my characters, but always seems to be true for Hastinng.

 

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jhonto  1 star
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Registered: 2008-8-24 19:58:52
Logging in Jordheim makes no difference

 

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Jim_Digriz  1 star
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You could try getting in touch with whomever owns the same lot in Y1 as your house in Y10. If they let you bind at their house it should solve most of your binding problems, because you could then go to Y10 in housing and hearth port to in front of your house, because housebind ports will port you to your bind spot on whichever server you are currently on. If you aren't in housing it will port you to your actual bind point (Y1).

 

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jhonto  1 star
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Registered: 2008-8-24 19:58:52
Jim_Digriz posted:

You could try getting in touch with whomever owns the same lot in Y1 as your house in Y10. If they let you bind at their house it should solve most of your binding problems, because you could then go to Y10 in housing and hearth port to in front of your house, because housebind ports will port you to your bind spot on whichever server you are currently on. If you aren't in housing it will port you to your actual bind point (Y1).



An interesting suggestion I might look into. Would you agree that this still suggests that housing is thoroughly broken...

 

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