Cross-posted from the Ywain boards (sorry about that) but i think it's worthy of being posted here too as a lot of people don't read both boards.
http://vnboards.ign.com/ywain/b23441/112615990/p1/?24


I originally made this test to show that 386 dex didn't cap 2.8s spells. I didn't at all expect what i found though, so i continued my testing.


Method:
I clocked the time it takes to cast 100 spells and that's pretty much it. I started by putting all points in dex at creation, get aug dex 5 etc to see what i got with the highst possible dex, then i removed items and clocked a new time. If the new time was different from the first one, i adjusted items, starting points and RAs and tested a number between the two. I then repeated this untill i found the "breaking point.

Not all tests were done with 100 casts as i didn't have enough power. The spreadheal (3.5s) for example was tested with 25 casts and then multiplied by 4.


Result:
1) There are "breaking points" where your cast speed gets significantly faster.
2) Anything in between these breaking points gives very little or no return.
3) Maybe someone will, but i fail to see a pattern in these breaking points.
4) The breaking points seem to aply to all spells with the same cast time, but i have not and am not going to test it for all spells.


I HAD 10% CAST SPEED DURING THE WHOLE TEST


Breaking points:
2.0s ---> 392 dex, 344 dex, 337 dex
2.1s ---> 356 dex, 354 dex, 308 dex
2.2s ---> 374 dex, 368 dex, 320 dex
2.3s ---> 386 dex, 380 dex, 332 dex
2.4s ---> 392 dex, 350 dex, 307 dex
2.5s ---> 362 dex, 319 dex
2.6s ---> 374 dex, 332 dex
2.7s ---> 386 dex, 344 dex
2.8s ---> 392 dex, 356 dex, 320 dex
2.9s ---> 368 dex, 362 dex, 332 dex
3.0s ---> 374 dex, 338 dex
3.5s ---> 356 dex, 326 dex


The test:

(2.0s delve) Tested with Mentalist nearsight
407 dex = 95.4 sec
395 dex = 96.0 sec
392 dex = 95.6 sec
---------------------------- Breaking point ----------------------------
391 dex = 111.0 sec
390 dex = 110.0 sec
388 dex = 110.8 sec
374 dex = 110.6 sec
360 dex = 110.9 sec
355 dex = 110.8 sec
346 dex = 111.0 sec
344 dex = 110.9 sec
---------------------------- Breaking point ----------------------------
343 dex = 118.2 sec
341 dex = 117.8 sec
338 dex = 118.3 sec
---------------------------- Breaking point ----------------------------
337 dex = 125.6 sec
318 dex = 126.4 sec


(2.1 sec) Tested with 2.1s greater heal
382 dex = 94.9 sec
357 dex = 96.4 sec
356 dex = 96.8 sec
---------------------------- Breaking point ----------------------------
355 dex = 102.4 sec
354 dex = 102.9 sec
---------------------------- Breaking point ----------------------------
353 dex = 107.3 sec
352 dex = 107.4 sec
350 dex = 108.0 sec
342 dex = 110.4 sec
326 dex = 110.0 sec
311 dex = 110.8 sec
309 dex = 111.2 sec
308 dex = 110.6 sec
---------------------------- Breaking point ----------------------------
307 dex = 119.6 sec
306 dex = 118.9 sec


(2.2 sec) Tested with 2.2s greater heal
382 dex = 95.2 sec
375 dex = 95.2 sec
374 dex = 94.8 sec
---------------------------- Breaking point ----------------------------
373 dex = 99.4 sec
371 dex = 99.5 sec
368 dex = 99.6 sec
---------------------------- Breaking point ----------------------------
367 dex = 110.3 sec
365 dex = 109.2 sec
364 dex = 110.2 sec
362 dex = 111.0 sec
352 dex = 110.7 sec
346 dex = 111.2 sec
339 dex = 110.4 sec
326 dex = 111.6 sec
321 dex = 112.8 sec
320 dex = 113.2 sec
---------------------------- Breaking point ----------------------------
319 dex = 125.5 sec
316 dex = 125.0 sec
311 dex = 126.2 sec


(2.3 sec) Tested with 2.3s greater heal
391 dex = 94.6 sec
388 dex = 94.4 sec
386 dex = 94.3 sec
---------------------------- Breaking point ----------------------------
385 dex = 99.8 sec
384 dex = 98.9 sec
380 dex = 98.7 sec
---------------------------- Breaking point ----------------------------
379 dex = 109.7 sec
378 dex = 109.6 sec
363 dex = 110.0 sec
351 dex = 110.8 sec
338 dex = 110.0 sec
332 dex = 111.2 sec
---------------------------- Breaking point ----------------------------
331 dex = 125.9 sec
330 dex = 126.1 sec
329 dex = 125.7 sec
326 dex = 126.0 sec


(2.4 sec) Tested with 2.4s greater heal
392 dex = 96.2
---------------------------- Breaking point ----------------------------
391 dex = 109.8 sec
386 dex = 110.8 sec
361 dex = 110.2 sec
358 dex = 110.9 sec
353 dex = 110.8 sec
351 dex = 111.7 sec
350 dex = 111.0 sec
---------------------------- Breaking point ----------------------------
349 dex = 126.1 sec
336 dex = 126.2 sec
325 dex = 126.2 sec
313 dex = 126.4 sec
308 dex = 126.3 sec
---------------------------- Breaking point ----------------------------
307 dex = 140.0 sec
306 dex = 142.6 sec
304 dex = 143.0 sec
299 dex = 142.2 sec


(2.5 sec) Tested with animist lifetap and 2.5s heal
402 dex = 110.4 sec
394 dex = 110.7 sec
380 dex = 110.9 sec
373 dex = 111.3 sec
367 dex = 111.4 sec
362 dex = 111.4 sec
---------------------------- Breaking point ----------------------------
361 dex = 123.9 sec
360 dex = 124.0 sec
359 dex = 123.6 sec
356 dex = 123.8 sec
335 dex = 126.6 sec
320 dex = 127.6 sec
---------------------------- Breaking point ----------------------------
319 dex = 140.4 sec
315 dex = 141.0 sec
310 dex = 142.6 sec
295 dex = 142.2 sec


(2.6 sec) Tested with hib baseline nuke and 2.6s major heal
424 dex = 110.5 sec
385 dex = 110.4 sec
380 dex = 110.8 sec
377 dex = 111.5 sec
375 dex = 111.6 sec
374 dex = 111.3 sec
---------------------------- Breaking point ----------------------------
373 dex = 122.6 sec
340 dex = 126.0 sec
333 dex = 128.6 sec
332 dex = 129.8 sec
---------------------------- Breaking point ----------------------------
331 dex = 141.6 sec
330 dex = 141.4 sec
326 dex = 140.8 sec
319 dex = 141.2 sec


(2.7 sec) Tested with 2.7s major heal
392 dex = 108.6 sec
391 dex = 110.3 sec
388 dex = 110.4 sec
386 dex = 110.2 sec
---------------------------- Breaking point ----------------------------
385 dex = 119.1 sec
384 dex = 121.0 sec
357 dex = 125.4 sec
350 dex = 126.3 sec
345 dex = 128.1 sec
344 dex = 126.9 sec
---------------------------- Breaking point ----------------------------
343 dex = 140.8 sec
342 dex = 141.3 sec
340 dex = 140.9 sec
336 dex = 141.2 sec
333 dex = 142.0 sec


(2.8 sec) Tested with menta spec nuke, animist ST bomb and 2.8s major heal
405 dex = 110.4 sec
402 dex = 110.6 sec
398 dex = 110.8 sec
394 dex = 111.3 sec
392 dex = 111.5 sec
--------------------------- Breaking point ---------------------------
391 dex = 125.6 sec
390 dex = 126.2 sec
388 dex = 126.1 sec
386 dex = 126.5 sec
380 dex = 126.5 sec
379 dex = 127.2 sec
375 dex = 127.1 sec
370 dex = 126.8 sec
365 dex = 126.7 sec
360 dex = 127.0 sec
356 dex = 127.1 sec
--------------------------- Breaking point ---------------------------
355 dex = 141.2 sec
340 dex = 142.3 sec
333 dex = 142.4 sec
326 dex = 142.0 sec
324 dex = 142.1 sec
321 dex = 142.8 sec
320 dex = 143.1 sec
--------------------------- Breaking point ---------------------------
319 dex = 154.0 sec
318 dex = 153.2 sec


(2.9 sec) Tested with 2.9s major heal
382 dex = 126.0 sec
368 dex = 126.8 sec
--------------------------- Breaking point ---------------------------
367 dex = 135.2 sec
366 dex = 136.6 sec
364 dex = 136.2 sec
362 dex = 136.3 sec
--------------------------- Breaking point ---------------------------
361 dex = 141.2 sec
354 dex = 142.3 sec
336 dex = 141.6 sec
334 dex = 141.2 sec
332 dex = 142.5 sec
--------------------------- Breaking point ---------------------------
331 dex = 154.3 sec
330 dex = 154.4 sec
323 dex = 158.4 sec


(3.0s delve) Tested with menta confusion and 3.0s major heal
424 dex = 126.0 sec
403 dex = 126.8 sec
384 dex = 127.2 sec
380 dex = 127.0 sec
375 dex = 128.0 sec
374 dex = 127.6 sec
---------------------------- Breaking point ----------------------------
373 dex = 141.6 sec
369 dex = 142.3 sec
346 dex = 144.0 sec
339 dex = 147.1 sec
338 dex = 149.8 sec
---------------------------- Breaking point ----------------------------
337 dex = 158.4 sec
335 dex = 158.0 sec
322 dex = 158.4 sec


(3.5 sec) Tested with lvl 30 spreadheal
382 dex = 156.4 sec
370 dex = 157.2 sec
365 dex = 158.4 sec
360 dex = 157.9 sec
358 dex = 158.0 sec
356 dex = 157.7 sec
---------------------------- Breaking point ----------------------------
355 dex = 171.5 sec
354 dex = 173.6 sec
326 dex = 173,2 sec
---------------------------- Breaking point ----------------------------
325 dex = 188.0 sec
324 dex = 188.5 sec
321 dex = 189.5 sec
316 dex = 188.7 sec
301 dex = 190.5 sec

 

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Great post, to bad it is a pile of fail.

The reduction is % based, so it would be the same dex on all spells to reach cap.

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Please prove me wrong. I clocked every single one of these values my self. The reduction might be % based but there sure is some kind of rounding or something in there, as this isn't a linear curve at all.

 

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Go back and read some 5-6y old data, and from what i know they never changed the casting mechanics from back then. Also your sample is WAY to small to make it a "this is how it is, now make it your bible!"





This alone should tell you that your test is flawed, how can the cast time go UP with MORE dex?

Well, the numbers don't lie.

 

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They do with that small of a sample size and your normal lag. And this

So you are telling a guy with current and up to date raw data to go back and compare it to 6 years ago. What a joke.
Maybe he should go back and read about Left Axe mechanics pre-1.62.

He asked you to prove where he is wrong, so your argument should start there. It sounds clear though that you have no clue what you are talking about.

 

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Please, go test it and see for yourself...


The breaking points are so clear that it can't possibly be lag.

 

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i can go and make a melee swing data and conclude that i do hit faster than 1.5s after 10 hits. would you accept it as the truth after seeing data from years ago and the samples where in the thousands and tens of thousands samples? No you would not, nothing have chnaged from back then in the caster coding or the melee coding.

Ive already told him where he is wrong.

I dont have to ive seen real samples and testing before, i am happy if ppl go for this and RA spec for more dex as it makes them less deadlier.