because Moodi

you can't do speed and 10 sec pbt at the same time

because the pets are such a power sink and one is NOT enough. (btw, air pets are low level and there is a good chance that you can resist the stun)

because if i'm an earth theurgist and i'm running speed - 90% of my effectiveness is GONE.

because air is the only good nuke line, and screw it if i wanted to be a primary nuker i'd have been a fire wizard.

because 10 sec pbt is even more useless now that archers can rip right through it.

"perma stunning no-immunity un-cc'able pets is more than enough.Oh, on top of that..we give you speed, 10sec pbt, AE mez, nukes. "


sigh. the rest has already been touched on but ... one thing. The pets are NOT UN-CC'able. You can consider sever-the-tether a form of cc for the pets. Yes i know thats an RA but you see it used about as commonly as you see an army of junk coming from a theurgist at you or a group member. Also, the pets can still be stunned, just not mezz'd. Mid aoe stun will out-last the pets and enchanters have base-line stun. The caster also suffers from nearsight (RM and eldritch get the advantage on a theurgist becasue of it) and if used the theurgist will never get to cast a pet.


Again, the rest of the fallacies in your statement ... are just sick and I'm not going to bother with.

Everyone's missing the point.


Earth and Ice speclines are the ones that are awful and need help.


Air is actually pretty decent.

a few more things.


pbt is not the end-all-be-all! it's NICE, it's not worth me putting all my spec points into it, not any more anyway. casters ignore pbt, and duel weild classes rip right through with their main hand attack, pbt also doesn't not keep you alive indefinately, 3 tanks on you and you're dead. again, there's really not enough utility in the earth line to warrant specializing in it.


and lastly...i don't thikn they're anything particuallrly horrible(bad yes, unplayable no) in the earth/ice or air/earth combinations, EXCEPT theurgist lack any resemblance of siege capability.

wizards, cabs and sorcs have more siege potential then ME! a wizard can gt or pb, a cab can DoT and send his pet on the door, a sorc can mez and send his lvl50 pet on the door.......what can i do? sit and run pbt or empty my full power bar worth of pets only to watch them die in 30 seconds and then have to wait 10 minutes for power again.


give me

gtaoe

pets that do more dmg to doors(JUST DOORS for god's sake)

door armor debuff.

maybe a spec siege bolt that takes 33% of power per cast(i could actually live with this kind of power dump).

and please do something about our power consumption(no other class can empty their power bar as quickly as we can, except maybe a thane, for so little return. possibly a necro, but that's only because of a bug that mythic refuses to fix)

my point has nothing to do with what spec-lines are balanced anymore ... we've brought up 100 ideas, or more, for all spec-lines for the theurgist and RAs too. The TL has read them on the elementalist board and has ideas of his own. The key is no longer to post ideas, imo, since they will just be a rehash of the past, but rather to make someone read the ideas and do something with them.


my point is to keep this thread at the top of the dev boards


That said ... /bump.

Scrybaby, Agree with you on just about everything but...


"ice

- there's really nothing "wrong" with ice. the problem lays in the poor back-up specs. noone specs ice/air because of the redundency, and few go ice/earth because they're better off specing air/earth for the better DD's. "


Ice is "broken" in thinking that a low level pet dd that gets interrupted by its horrid AI, or resisted because of the way resists are calculated, or many of the other things that will cause a pet not to cast (not reaching target, LOS, etc.), will make up for having a smaller nuke. BOTH base and specline ice nukes have less damage than the air nuke (ironic, since ice goes up to 50 and air stops at 45).


Also doesn't explain in the least why it costs more power to cast either base or spec nuke, no reason I could even think of for that one. I'm going Earth/Ice for less variance/power costs on base nukes, but it doesn't help me much if I have 6sec pbt draining my power, AND spells cost more to cast that just suck. Seems rather wrong to me.


But, we're on the same side, (Theurgists unite!), I just have a different viewpoint of "wrong". Also, annoys the crap out of me that spec ice nuke negates any root. Sucky. On a side note, I love the people who come here complaining about getting owned by an theurgist. With all the crap we have to put up with, it's humerous... there's actually people out there gimper than us!! Sadly, it's due to lack of skills and common sense, rather than design. /sigh


Jaavon: Awesome point to the elds who think they're worse off than us. I had to laugh.

I'd like to thank some of the new posters for showing up, don't know if its because I spammed posted all the US boards Yes I know bad me and I was sent a nasty letter not to do it again but hey I really didn't know I couldn't do it. But anyway it looks like some great ideas and keep them coming and its so sad to see the same ol argurement come up about AIR spec theurgs and the GODLY always stunning air pets, how many times do we have to go over the same thing, just because some air pet stunned you for one second doesn't mean jack. Keep this thread alive and hopefully just maybe we shall see some love. Good job my fellow theurgs.

"Animists are worse off then you are ."


hmm possibly but have animists sucked since beta? noooo they are a new class, theurgists have put up with complete shit for years.


And for all those who are saying "get in line", well, im sorry to say it but we have been in line since day 1, and undeserving classes and spell lines keep butting in front.

Air spec isn't even that good. Most casters who only have one viable line at least have a very good line. Air is average. I would (and do) take any wizard spec over an air spec theurgist.

you guys have convinced me. i'm respecing to air.


aside from the fact that even 6sec pbt is completely useless now. and ice dmg is pathetic. and the complete pointlessness of my class....why do i even bother playing it?


my earth theurgist has

1. no dmg output

2. no cc

3. no power

4. no ae spells

5. no self deffence


the only thing i do well is pbt, and since i spend most of my day insta mezzed by hib bards or insta stunned by mid healers...pbt isn't actaully ever on when i need it.


does mythic not see? it's not like they've ever /nerfed the theurgists. theurgist were gimp from the beginning, but since mythic has been slowly boosting other classes they have effectively lowered our notch too along with skalds(former RvR elite) and thanes. i can understand skalds being normalized. i can almost even understand thanes who are now only slightly bellow average. but why ignore a class that's been gimp since day one?


one last note. for those of you who say "but pets put me out of commision for a long time, they're so powerful". listen, it's right pets put your out of commision and are powerful. BUT, any pet class can send a pet on you with a single button click an no power expenditure, we theurgist on the other hand have to CAST the ugly kids(3s cast time is fairly slow compared to how quickly nukes are cast) and we have to cast a few of them as well as burn alot of power on it. there's no point to it, we can pretty much put 1-2 people out of commision before we're oop and are the target for every tank in the area. and tipically, when i start casting my pets on you - you're dead before they even get there or I'M dead before they even get there, so i end up dropping a lot of power for NOTHING. it's very frustrating.