>> I'll make it extremely simple for you and give you the facts.


You did make it simple --- but where are the "facts"?


The 14 pages of discussion were not necessarily carried out in a scientific/academic fashion --- they were meaningful discussions but a lot are based on speculations and guesses.


Nothing wrong about that, mind you --- that's how many fruitful discussions proceed --- but I don't see facts regarding how skillups take place.

you can level off of digging nothing, it's happened to me twice. I've even seen screenshots of people's /clock macros going off indicating level up after just having a failed dig.


as for different tiers having their own treasure pool, this couldnt be more wrong. I've dug out zones for friends (unintentionally XD) well below my level and I've watched lvl 10s enter the zone and empty it completely in mere minutes.


The digging pool refreshes once every game hour (not necesarily on the hour), roughly 2-5 items depending on day/moon phoase. Once those items have been dug no one- not a level 1 nor a level 9- will get anything until the next refresh.

I don't care, I leveled and am at /wait 6 between digs. Now I'm starting to see more of the good stuff being dug up.


In Altepa a while ago I noticed a high level digger (looked like Area wait 0 to me) zoning back and forth between the two deserts every few minutes. I slapped him because I knew he was digging everything up before my area wait timer was up. But, the frequency that he'd zone at suggested he was following the "items replenish every game day" theory.


I'm gonna keep that theory in mind from now on. Although I know I've gotten more than 5 items in a row before. Maybe the pool is more like 5-10 items.

No you can't lvl off digging nothing, post a screenshot of your proof. And tiers is completely correct, how do you explain not being able to dig elemental ores till A15ish. Each Await lower you get access to more items, and rarer items to boot.

You can dig elemental ore before A15. I dug my first at A35, but didn't dig another til A20. It was just rare as hell and at the time, i didn't know the pattern for elemental ore.


Also, the lowest lvl is A5, not A10.

Which, by the by supports the theory that -any- dig is a skill check, and a "nothing" may just be a fail on a high-skill dig item.


Odds are, it'd also mean that there's a "range" at which items are effectively impossible to get...but if you somehow manage it, the skillgain is exceptional (sorta like managing a 0.5 level gain or so on a normal synth).


Digging is a skill, even if it's not a documented exact number on your character. Why wouldn't it follow similar rules?

http://photobucket.com/albums/v211/Vryali/?action=view&current=chocolvl1.jpg


^proof that you can level without digging up anything.


The above person provided photo documentation- I can back it up with personal experience on not one, but two occasions- from A40 to A35 in a completely dug out W.Altepa, and from A30 to A25 in tahrongi on a single failed dig.


Please rest assured that after 9000+ stacks of greens and 5 months of digging 3+ hours a day I at least have some idea of what I'm talking about...

Someone in my linkshell went from /wait 16 to /wait 6 during one digging trip. Both the level up occured within 5 minutes of each other.

 

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All that shows is him manually hitting his dig button hence the multiple "cannot dig here messages", multiple dig nothing messages between hitting macros, and then him "thinking" he leveled so he changed his macro. You can easily hit the dig macro before the previous dig is finished to make it seem like you havent leveled, his friend even thinks there was no possibility of him lvling so quickly which means it was probably his first time to ever dig. That screenshot is a terrible failure at proving anything.

/eyeroll


theres really little to no proof anyone can provide that you or anyone else can't disprove.


I can only assure you that it's happened to me twice on my way to A15, and my conversations with other diggers, both NA and JP, confirm this.


Perhaps instead of being so incredibly hostile _you_ should provide proof that you *can't* level/skill off a failed dig.


This is supposed to be a discussion thread, not your personal playground for venting negative energy. It's really not welcome.