good job, you guys took 7 keeps that nobody gives a &*%)* about!

Organized albs = organized rps.

 

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This is amazing. Let me see if I have this all straight...


Mythic partially nerfs D3 raids. Skeltah, well known for flawlessly employing such tactics, brings a group of around 40 realmmates out to Excalibur armed with at least 25 trebuchets (great form by the way in placing them in a near perfect line) and attempts a variation of the famed D3 raid, trying to work the system yet again. Word gets out that Hibs are attacking Excally, yet no death spam has been reported. The realm responds and finds door three at 65-70% and a couple dozen trebs down the hill, where many named guards are being engaged by the tanks, but not killed. Hibs get rolled. D3 gets repaired.


As anyone would expect, we retaliate against Hibernia. Some suggested we hit Mid, but Hibernia went for blood, so we took it to Hibernia. Why the "caster" realm of Hibernia is attacking Excalibur, particularly on Alb/Lance in the first place, is beyond me. Hibernia across all servers holds 7 power relics. Three of those are on Gawaine. Is there some pissing contest going on here that has come at the expense of an entire realm? Maybe pride has run rampant and clouded the vision of what is best for Hibernia as a whole? I can't answer that question because I'm not a Hibernian, but something doesn't fit.


I am reminded of a time about a year ago when Hibernia absoultely DOMINATED this server, despite their inferior numbers, while Albion was disorganized and kept banging its head on a brick wall attacking Hibernia for its power relics. At least half a dozen times we tried very unsuccessfully to take the relics. What the hell were we going to do with power relics? Lose them in less than three days because Myrddin was at the time quite impossible to effectively defend, something Mythic has since acknowledged and taken steps to fix? We were crazy to attempt to take those relics, yet we did it over and over, and failed over and over.


We were broken.


Eventually we pulled our heads out of our asses and tried something different. We took the Strength relics, which arguably are more beneficial for our realm than the Power relics ever will be. That began a "turning of the tides" of sorts in bringing Albion back into the game, a process which has taken the better part of a year to get to the point we're at now, and continues to this day.


Back to today's events, we retaliated against Hibernia. If Hibernia is going to attempt to take our Strength relics, we're going to make them work for it. While I personally think their efforts are far better spent attempting to regain the power relics from Midgard, that is my own opinion. If you guys are going to continue to go for our relics, you have your work cut out for you. Each time you do, we will retaliate, as should be expected, and as you experienced today.


Do you think we wouldn't retaliate? If not, where was your defense in expectation thereof? As I recall, the first keep we hit was Crauchon, owned by MIDS! The first formidable defense force we encountered was at Ailinne, the LAST of your keeps to fall. Lamfhota was EMPTY. If Skeltah is going to create a new alliance filled with the top RvR guilds in Hibernia and call it "Zerg This" what do you honestly expect from us? Is it just me or is that a slap in the face taunt saying "Please come attack us?" Where was "Zerg This" when Albion came to retaliate against a relic attack from the leader of the alliance?


After Hibernia, we took it to Midgard. We took Bledmeer and went off to Nottmoor. Mids were prepared, and rightfully so. They handed us our asses at the 2nd keep we attempted. Period. No if's and's or but's. We got asshatted. Well done Midgard.


The way I see it, fingers can be pointed at anyone for what happened today: At Albion because we're the ones who took all seven keeps virtually undefended and knocked down four relic doors without a relic inside. Or at Hibernia, or more specifically Skeltah and Co. for attacking Excalibur and either not being prepared to defend against the retaliation or not willing to do so, thereby letting us get all the way to Lamfhota and beyond.


Some might say you deserved it for attacking our relics.

Some might say you asked for it by forming Zerg This.

Some might say it was overkill for taking all the keeps and destroying the relic doors.

Some might say you're crazy for trying it in the first place.

Some might say if you're not willing to deal with the consequences then don't start it to begin with.

I say it is in your best interests to take your relic efforts out of Albion for the time being unless you're willing to truly fight for them.


Christ Almighty. This whining makes me sick.

Pagielle, you make me sick. Number one, why would Hibs go after the other underdog realm on this server? What would be the point of that? Secondly, I was here from almost the very beginning. I remember when Albs had all our keeps and we had no relics. I was here when Hib dominated, too.


Never once can I remember when Hib was dominating that we did what you did. We never ported over to Alb, sacked all your keeps and bashed in empty doors at an RK. Why? Because it served no good purpose, it would have been like rubbing your face in it.


You can spin it any way you want, it was a cheap shot. You want to kick a guy in the nuts when he's down? Hope you like it when it happens to you.

 

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"However, Frec does raise an unrefuted point. Albs may be jackasses but hibs gave up.


Both are sad. "

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I fail to see how refusing to pay hard cash for an imbalanced, silly mockery of a real pvpmmorpg that you are dissatisfied with can be classified as "sad". More like, "smart".


I further wouldn't proport to label people as "sad" when they are able to realize where a serious imbalance lies, in what is supposed to be a balanced PvP game, and then refuse to entertain this imbalance by allowing themselves to be farmed repeatedly -much to the glee of those who would exploit said imbalances.


really.


Ultimately, DAoC is about entertainment. Not duty or honor or petty testosterone driven rights of passage. It's too bad so many people here are so immature that they can't bring themselves to accept that.

So get together 40 people and defend your keeps.


If you don't think 40 hibs can kill 150 albs at a keep siege, I've seen it and possibly worse before.


Actually the only time this has happened is back before the resists and SC came out.


And for the record, we had 3-4 groups of hibbies in Ali when you hit it, we didnt even stand in your way.

 

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"I fail to see how refusing to pay hard cash for an imbalanced, silly mockery of a real pvpmmorpg that you are dissatisfied with can be classified as "sad". More like, "smart"."


I didn't mean gave up as in cancelled their accounts. I mean that hibs that day went for the relic, and then gave up, at least to the best of my knowledge...I have never criticized (sp?) anyone for quitting this game. If anything respect is my feeling towards them.


Hope that clarifies things.


I never called hibs who cancelled sad, I called the fact that those still playing didnt follow up their attempt with defense sad...if that fact is really true which it may not necessarily be. I dont know everything that went on after the attempt.


"Actually the only time this has happened is back before the resists and SC came out.


And for the record, we had 3-4 groups of hibbies in Ali when you hit it, we didnt even stand in your way."


I have second hand knowledge of things because but I logged after seeing the albs plan in the cg, but I have to ask...what did you expect would happen after 150 albs came to excal?


Did you expect them to do something interesting and go to mid with the force they had? Or did you expect them to go do the thing they only know how to do (zerg hib)? Why did it take until Ail for defenders to show up?


If that was the best that hibs could do or wanted to do then fine. I got the impression that hibs gave up after the attempt failed.

Going after the power relics in Midgard would just mean a defeat they couldn't blame on anyone else but themselves. Much more fun to attack the larger populated realm and whine about it. When the tears dry up maybe the Hibs with nads will remain standing.

pagielle,

why am i not surprised you have an infiltrator?

anyways, you are an idiot. yes, hib was touted as the magical realm, but due to SCing and resists, magic does absolutely nothing for us.

why pick on mid? while they do have a lot more people than we do, they have a LOT less people than you do. why bicker with them with you able to crush us both? do you have any strategic sense at all?!?!?


"Some might say you deserved it for attacking our relics."


rolling our force and taking a keep or two would have sent the message. however, we do not deserve to have to put up with numbers that we just can't field. ever. just like i shouldn't have to put up with your lack of any sense whatsoever...


"Some might say you asked for it by forming Zerg This."


ahh. so now the fact that we created an alliance that will allow us to (hopefully) try to combat your hordes gives you reason to act like jerks? did you even think before you posted?


"Some might say it was overkill for taking all the keeps and destroying the relic doors."


it was. first smart thing you've said. keep going in this vein.


"Some might say you're crazy for trying it in the first place."


crazy, maybe. definitely proud and willing.


"Some might say if you're not willing to deal with the consequences then don't start it to begin with."


this is like saying if i say china is dumb, china has every right to send its entire army to my doorstep and slaughter me, my family, my dogs, and my neighbors. GED for the win, please.


"I say it is in your best interests to take your relic efforts out of Albion for the time being unless you're willing to truly fight for them."


i say it is in your best interest to learn what "truly fight" means. now go hit Y-E-S, finish school, and try something challenging.

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"I didn't mean gave up as in cancelled their accounts."

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Okay, my mistake. Disregard the first part of my reply, then.


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"I called the fact that those still playing didnt follow up their attempt with defense sad...if that fact is really true which it may not necessarily be."

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And to this, i reiterate:


I further wouldn't proport to label people as "sad" when they are able to realize where a serious imbalance lies, in what is supposed to be a balanced PvP game, and then refuse to entertain this imbalance by allowing themselves to be farmed repeatedly - much to the glee of those who would exploit said imbalances.


really.


Ultimately, DAoC is about entertainment. Not duty or honor or petty testosterone driven rights of passage. It's too bad so many people here are so immature that they can't bring themselves to accept that.


Clarification:


Since we had no relics to defend, i can't blame some hibs for not wanting to be farmed by the Alb zerg that was sure to muster and spill forth in the wake of the failed raid (as is often the case). Being rolled by 3x/4x/5x your numbers is, at least in my oppinion, one of the most boring scenerios this game has to offer.