we've gotten jumped by TK a ton while in fights. i don't really care, not much you can do about it. we've also backed off of jumping in fights and we've jumped in also, it's pretty hard to avoid sometimes. we've run up on speed 6 and tried to actually turn away from an ongoing fight but one of our guys always ends up getting hit.. not much you can do


i won't even discuss tf. they jump us constantly, more than any other gank oriented guild out. and when they do jump us they pop bof/sos heh

 

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I don't know any of the alb gank groups. LA I can recognize from colors/names/rank, but albs are all the same.

 

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my experiences from the tk view.


we have had la add on us, we have had release add on us, we have had free rps add on us


when we have turned to avoid, there have been multiple occasions when the mezzer from the opposing realm gank group has screwed us.


when 7 people turn to avoid an 1 person moves to engage guess what all 8 are eventually goign to end up doing.


if annother gank group is in the middle of a big brawl with multiple other groups of their realm there *cough* free rps *cough* we definitely feel no remorse about jumping in


we run regardless of out ra status and try to avoid other groups. if you don't believe that, theres no helping it.

I respec any guild that comes out and regularly RvRs as an 8 man group. Those make for much more interesting and challenging fights. If Treya doesn't cheat, hes an absolutely insane sorc, I can't tell you the last time we beat him to mez, he always seems prepared for it. Frec also deserves my respec. As for hib, Phel's group seems to be perfect for 8v8 and we always have good fights with them. I can't even describe the one at thimble the other night - crazy -.-


As far as jumping in, I agree with Anty 100%. TF (and sadly TK recently) have jumped in while we were busy with other albs on more then one occasion. Xarrio is crazy about interrupting fights, we **never** engage if there are already other mids there. Phel's group seems to be the same way - <3. I'm not saying how you should play, after all it is your money, but to me, that's what deserves my respect.

When I fight you more than once per 30 minutes and both times without you adding in to an ongoing battle, I will believe it.


I give TK a lot more leeway than I do TF, though. Trust me. Just sucks that the only times I've seen you guys since basically school started for everyone (college here but of all age variety) it's with you adding in, or somewhere in breif and you hitting both bof/sos. Sorry that it leads me to think certain things -- it cannot be helped.


I'm still in favor of removing class unique ra's, or make certain ones available to everyone. Things like GP, SoS, BoF, BaoD should be removed, imo, but things like a bard's melodies or pally's faith heal should be available to appropriate type classes. There'd be less arguements, I think, as well as bringing more balance.

Get rid of shadowrun too. Like wtf, way overpowered!

 

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I beat Treya a lot, adodi, and can tell you how. And I do it without amnesia half of the time...


...ghost mezzing or not, the thing is that you have to be aware and in position to start that mez, which she always is in.


Frec...omg...doesn't matter how fast I am, I mez his group and he mezzes mine. He always gets out of range for the mez and amnesia...if i target him, I miss his group. If i target his group, I miss him and he gets my group. About the only way I've found to beat frec is to start my ae and insta him, which I'm too prideful to do most of the time.


GP and SoS follow -- albs having the advantage when both are popped. If we played it better, though, SoS is beatable...


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...isn't that the story of all things, though?

every RA is beatable in my opinion, but adjusting your strategy in time is not always possible.

I'm going to speak on behalf of my guild TF. Please remember that I'm not always in the TF group and online 24/7 so i can't account for every single battle that TF engages in.


Yes i know we jump in on battles a lot but you 2 other realms don't think about how many albs are in emain in the aspect i'm going to mention. If we sit and wait forever and a half to make sure we don't jump in on mid-fights we'll never make rps. Some other alb group will come along and leech rps. We are sick of the alb zerg and we try our best to make sure no one follows us but we've just gotten to the point where we will be in an 8vs8 and the alb zerg jumps in... so what do we do... we do the exact same thing when the zerg is fighting and leech rps from the zerg. 8vs8 is a rare oportunity these days and i enjoy the heck out of it when it happens. The only battle TF makes an attempt to stay out of is for a TK fight. Now i know for sure we have jumped into a TK fight a few times but it can sometimes be difficult to tell whether it's on a hill, trees ect... I have seen TK stay out of our fights and they are pretty good at it.


Now for those of you who really want the 8vs8 such as Anty. I love to fight LA 8vs8 but please, you can't be serious that we are just going to go sit off to the side and wait for you to med up and what have you... within 15 seconds EITHER 40 albs are going to be bearing down on you or 30 mids bearing down on my group. If you want to be professional about the 8vs8 lets take it somewhere where we know it's going to be just us and your group... same thing goes with Ashmir and his group. I'm sure we can plan 8vs8 time by conversing with each other on IRC or some other form of chat. I'm totally for that and i think it's a great idea. But if your just wondering thru heavily traveled spots you're going to be free game to whoever.

BTW, whoever implied that we don't roam when our RA's are down is retarded. We are always roaming around with RA's down and what have you. Yes we do go back to the APK a lot to rebuff if a few of us die to put us back on an equal level as the other main gank groups who have buffbots...


"I've seen TF blow ra's when they add in battle, too. I guess SoS is necessary when bard beats you to mez and has both groups mezzed. BoF, too."

My reply to this statement... I guess we just supposed to throw strategy right out the window... Also when we haven't seen anything but 100 albs in like 30mins-1hr of roaming, those active RA's become so enticing that we just see something and we are too eager to hit it because we are so bored...


Please try not to bore me with nonsense and "this one time I saw TF doing this..." crap... I enjoy intelligent dialouge even if it's well-thought criticism that isn't just a bunch of BS one-liner stuff. Anty's post is a great example. I am enjoying the post so far.

 

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Not many options you have against SOS. Basically the support is going to be taking the hits, and he most likely WILL go down. It's a matter of having MOC/PR up, etc. to hold out for those 30 seconds. Basically since the implementation of demez, there's no reason why mez should be a counter for SOS. This is because in order for SOS to go off, the Minstrel cannot be mezzed/stunned - which leaves at least one character in the Alb group to demez the rest. Not to mention the option of purging. Now that leaves the groups with a dilemma, you have a fg moving at speed5 and there's not much you can do about it. Try to heal through it, rez as much as you can, etc.


The way I see it, if you go up against TK or TF and they SOS/BOF x2 - you're not going to win if your RA's are down.


Welcome to the cheapest RA in the game :-\ Followed by the 2nd cheapest, BOF (and it's counterpart, BAoD which isn't much of a problem atm)


-Anty