I know it has to do with decal. Is there anything I can do to fix this? Or is this just a part of AC life w/decal? It doesn't happen everytime, but very consistantly I'll crash to my desktop when I log out a toon and try to log in another. It's really annoying but I figured I just had to live with it or live w/o decal. Everything appears to be updated in decal except for 1 bos has a red x instead of a black check. Version 1 Plugin Surrogate. Althou is says its version 2.9.4.0.


Anyway, if there is something I can do let me know.


Thanks


I use ElTank, LTx, Sort it!, Make it!, Mule Shopper, Mule Trader, Portal Helper and DHS. I don't have all the plug-ins running at the same time however. Usually it's only 1 or 2.

 

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Happens to me to, but I just learn to deal with it.


Maybe it is just dumb luck, but it seems to happen more often when I "quickly" switch between toons. If I log out, then immediately log in on another, it crashes 50% of the time or more. If I log out, count to 10, then that percentage seems to drop to about 15-20% of the time.

it could be a side-effect of plugins taking a while to uninitialize and shutdown.


If you attempt to start quickly after, before everything has a chance to close up and shutdown, then it is possible you'd get issues which could cause a crash.


It's best to log out and wait a few seconds before attempting to log in a separate character.

happens to me all day long...this is something that is an issue for many folks. Switch toons, CTD, come back in, try to log in, character still logging out, try back in right away, in fine.


edit: happens most with El Tank, but if I only have Lifetank, it still happens.

 

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Yeah me too does with both Eltank or LT. Although I have reported the error to Microsoft!

 

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Happens to me regularly when El Tank is active - does not happen at all when I uncheck El Tank.


I just deal with it. I don't run El Tank all the time, mostly use it to run places using El Nav. It's faster and easier to create a route in El Tank than to make an AC Tool macro.


Although, I have been using El Nav to create a route, then taking the data from the generated route file and pasting that in a GatreNav.mac file - a fast way to make an Ac Tool route macro.

 

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Well I guess I should be happy it's a known issue and not just happening to me.


I don't think it has anything to do with how slow or fast I log another toon. I can log out, eat lunch and come back 1 hr later and get booted. It's quite random. I could do a study as to the frequency of when it happens with which plug-ins but I was more interested to know whether this was isoltaed to just me or a broader issue.


Hopefully it is an issue which can be resolved.


Thanks

 

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I beleive it's an issue known to the Decal devs and I assume they will fix it during the development of Decal, on the way to getting a release version.


I also think we may see AC expire before this happens.


If I thought that AC only had 9 months of life left (as I firmly beleive) I wouldn't waste any time on Decal, so if the devs are in this frame of mind, I couldn't find fault with them at all.


I appreciate the work they have done just to get us a working Alpha, post-ToD. They certainly didn't have to do even that.


I truly miss old plugins like RoboChef, Nerfus Buffus, and especialy Bandit Sight. But those are gone for good, and I'm thankful for what we have right now.


I've learned AC Tool (six years into my AC experience, lol) and have written a few sad little macros that try to replicate those plugins. It's a sobering experience, and really makes you see what a plugin dev is up against, and gives you some insight into the uber-world of a Decal dev. And they program in advanced languages - AC Tool is like kindergarten-level reading compared to the 'Calculus 401' that the real devs use.

 

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I see the problem as well. And.. it's usually whenever I open a portal with my level 20 mule, that only lasts like 1 1/2 minutes, then it disappears right as I log in.


But yeah.. as everyone else stated, it happens whenever I do a quick log out/log in. But with programs like tank (does everything), it is expected that it takes forever to unload.


And to the person that is posting on every message stating that he doesn't see why people are investing time into a game that he predicts will only last 9 months... why not just unsubscribe from the game, and not waste your time?

 

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It is a bigger issue than most people will admit. Whatever people say, we need Decal to make the game enjoyable. The problem occurs mostly with ElTank running, although I now see it happening with other newer plugins.


The fact is, that players are hardly likely to tolerate this for much longer and will slowly and quietly move on, so maybe Chazcon is right.