1) It makes no difference how much money you invested in this game, it was you choice, and it was your entertainment. No one owes you anything. You paid rent to be able to play the game nothing more nothing less.


2) Legality - there are no precedents for legality for virtual pixels - so all this talk about the law is nonsense. When there is a case it will be revolutionary - until then it is all science fiction.


3) There is no morality in games - games by their name are a competitive environment. People play to win so you cannot judge them or call them cheaters. A game is not the real world where there are laws, rules and moralities. We are not taught in school or church, synagogue, mosque or temple how to behave in virtual worlds. Therefore, it is just subjective.


4) Morality is a religious issue, once someone interprets the bible, torah or Koran about this subject for games we cannot honor what was written by a person as rules in this realm. Until taught in the schools and religious houses of worship how to behave in these games all your arguments are mute.


Drakier, your morality cannot be shoved down the throat of anyone else, you are not God nor the law and your interpretations are suspect.


edit, we clicked agreement to rules to get into the game - it is no different than clicking to attack a monster -therefore we cannot be bound by such EULA. How many people read that EULA, I know I didn't. No excuse but we are here to play a game and that is the only law here.

Saying that you didn't read a contract does not the contract null and void.


As for pixels, that's all any computer software is. The fact that you disagree, etc, after the fact has no bearing. While it's really pointless here, it'd be fun to see you try the same arguments against Microsoft.

 

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"Until taught in the schools and religious houses of worship how to behave in these games all your arguments are mute"


don't you mean moot?


As for that argument... ethics and morals are a cultural standard. They are defined by the culture we live in and by society.


That being said, the cultures of the world have created a basic set of guidelines and principles to govern ethics and morals. The whole "no lie, cheat, steal, kill" etc stuff are basic morals that pretty much the world as a whole have adopted. These actions have consequences in the real world. Unfortunately, it's a LOT harder for these consequences to carry over to the internet because of the lawless nature of the internet.


That is a whole different discussion however. One of the previous posters had it right in that parents within the last couple of generations have been increasingly failing to do their duty of teaching their children right from wrong. It has created a "me" culture and is only getting worse. Have there always been the "me" people? of course. but not like this.

Tivee said : "Drakier, your morality cannot be shoved down the throat of anyone else, you are not God nor the law and your interpretations are suspect. "


It is not "his" morality. It's common sense and it's the difference between RIGHT and WRONG. It's NOT rocket science. Just because you think you can "interpret" things to fit into your "me" way of life, does not make it RIGHT. Morals are morals. If you think cheating in games with other players is right and not "your" set of morals, then you are a very sad individual. Being over the internet because you can be anonymous does not make it any more right than sitting down to a table with strangers and playing a game and cheating.


To try and weasel your way out of your lack of being taught the difference between right and wrong by saying such nonsensical things does not do well for your arguement. Cheating is not acceptable in most societies, otherwise we'd live in a one hell of a weird world (although it's starting to head more in that direction with the lack of understanding of the SIMPLEST of concepts).

 

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Then build the perfect game, games are built to be conquered, what is the definition of a game, to make a nice flower pot of daises? No to kill and conquer - what the hell does society have to do with that - to shoot, kill and destroy to win - and you say I should be a good little boy and play nice, go salute the flag - go play disney games or sim city. Drackier put you finger up your moot. Games are not built for people to loose - they help people use all their capabilities to win.


How would you like to tell a navy seal to be nice, play nice. Stand there and let the enemy nail you. No you do everything you can to win. You want society morals, we build games to win to teach our young to kill. You want to play fair or die. Guess you might as crawl into your hole and die.


You think the hordes of poor trying to get into USA and Europe are playing to be nice, no they are playing to win, no matter the stakes. it is fit of survival, you pansies are not going to make it.


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So the law is always just? having cops on the highways every mile to trap you to get money for the state is fair and usuing a radar detector is cheating? Well isn't the state cheating by fining you so much you can't even buy gas for your car.


BTW the game allows programs to allow assistance - IT IS ALLOWED - so what is your problem? Even the great Drakier knows this.

And my case was just made perfectly by the post above this one. I don't even have to say another word.

 

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Interesting argument this has turned into.


My only suggestion would be to not judge people that you meet in real life based on your past dealing with them through virtual media. Many people have different perspectives. More often than not, I think you'll find many of the "cheaters" are amazing people and more outgoing and free-spirited than those who are obviously morally superior.


Life is too much fun to be taken so seriously.

Interesting....


Tiv, you do realize that when you grow up and get out on your own, you will find that most of what you said in that last post is pure rubbish.


This is of course based on the assumption that you are quite young. If not, then I apologize.


Best of luck to you. I feel as if you will need it dealing with the world. Hope you win!

 

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*laugh*


I thought this was the AC Utilities Board but what the heck.


The topic is sociology and religion


I believe the moral decay in society can be attributed to the smaller family unit and from the failure of religion to be taught in schools.


Let me explain.


All successful societies throughout history were based on strong religious beliefs. All the values and morals we hold today were based on religious principles. For instance, do not lie, do not steal, do not murder, do not cheat on your wife, do unto others as you would have be done unto you are all from the bible.


Because children are not taught these values in school the only place they have to learn these values is from their parents. Unfortunately, in a society where both parents are forced to work just to survive children are lacking in teachers and role models.


It would be very easy for me to produce a statistical model to prove this but it would not be worth the effort.


Today we live in a society that is on a steady downward moral spiral. We are living in the "me" generation where the only thing that is important is what "feels" right. In fact, I laughed when I heard a commercial who's slogan was, "Do what feels right!".


Class dismissed.


~Duri

err... i use find-it for my alerts, i miss 6thsense

 

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