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*chuckle* Yeah basically.


~Duri

did you guys forget you are talking about a game?

 

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that's one of the lamest excuses in the book "it's only a game"


this "game" involves more people than just yourself.. if you want to cheat in a single player game like Oblivion or Quake, or whatever, that's your problem.. but when you start cheating in a multi-player game, your problem becomes everyone elses problem.


and game or not, ethics and morals are ethics and morals.. they apply to EVERYTHING you do in life, not just the things you "choose".


If you want to cheat by yourself in a situation that affects no one else, I can't hold that against you. But imo, people who have ethics of cheating in multiplayer games seem to have similar ethics in real life. Not all cases, but many.

Well said, Drakier. This whole arguement shouldn't even be happening except a lot of the parents of the last 25 years stopped being parents and teaching their kids right from wrong. Now we've ended up with a society of "me" kids that believe that they can do whatever they want, whenever they want. They have no sense of right and wrong, because they were never taught any different. I raised my kids with love and respect and made sure to stress what is right and wrong behavior when dealing with other people in the world. It's not rocket science, but yet most of these "me" kids today have no clue of the SIMPLEST of concepts. They can't grasp it, because they've never been taught it. Sad.


They also have the most creative ways of "justifying" their "position". Morals (or lack of) can't be "justified".

 

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It's not a game. Let's get that straight right away. It's a business and a service. A theater is no less a business for providing entertainment. A restaurant is no less a business for providing food. You can denigrate any item that way ("it was just a flick, get over it" - "It was just a dead cow, get over it", but we still expect certain things from the businesses and services we purchase. And when you look beyond the monthly subscription fee and at the big picture, much of the current player base has spent significant money at this establishment. So, even from the aspect of a "Game," it's not pacman we're talking about.


When we enter the doors of the establishment, we all agree to a set of rules set forth by the business owners.


This business supplies additional content to customers who reach specific benchmarks. Whether they should or not isn't the point.


Presuming that AC is an arcade, with 700 machines, all the same. Each player at one of the machines. (No, this isn't about resources or "hogging a machine."


Group A plays in person, sleeps, eats, lives, leaves and returns.


Group B places artificial button pushers at their machines, programmed to play endlessly, accumulating points toward various benchmarks. A player present at the automaton is immediately available to speak with management, and still subject to the various calls of a natural life - sleep, life, food, etc. A player who leaves the area, leaving his automaton in place, is neither able to respond immediately nor subject to real life restrictions.


And, in my experience, those who "break the rules" over "little stuff" are really quick to yell foul in other parts of life. The student who spends his time busting his brain studying for an exam or who didn't have time is going to SCREAM foul when another student uses a program to darken those little circles for him.

 

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You people should be the ones on the chopping block - no mercy.


How can a game blame you when a few generations have been brought up on cheat codes, there is a whole libraary of how to cheat in games. It was not considered bad, it was considered cool to cheat.


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These posts crack me up ...quite amusing when you need to take a rest stop on a hectic day.


We were discussing legally whether or not someone could be taken to court for macroing. My opinion is that legally there would be no case.


Then we get the ...


o Anti-Macroing Coalition - I refer to them as the SOY group (Shame On You!)


o The Degenerative Youth of Today Movement - "When I was a kid we use to say please and thank you and help little ladies across the street! And the streets were made of gum drops and the houses were made of gingerbread!"


o The IHU (I HATE U) - This group could care less about what the thread is about. Their sole purpose is to wait for that one person they don't like to post their opinion so that can flame them.


o SA Group (Smart A$$ Group) - The sole purpose of this group is to prove intellectual superiority by writing a two page post with hypothetical arguments complete with footnotes.


Personally, I have been guilty of being a member of each of these groups at times.


~Duri

*proud member of the pseudo-SA group - and tired of the "It's just a game" argument.


No intellectual superiority. Just this ain't hopscotch, people. THAT'S "just a game."


I honestly am tired of the UCM debate, as Turbine has just managed to cover their fronts and backs so far. I just get tired of people trying to justify behavior with the "It's just X" argument.

 

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Tiviee: Refer to my previous post.


If you want to cheat in a SINGLE player game, I cannot fault or blame you. That's your own decision, and you hurt no one (directly) but yourself.


As soon as you bring it into the area where other people are directly affected, then it becomes a serious issue.


It's like all the "anti-drug" laws.. if a person wants to be a crackhead in their own house, they have no kids, no job, and no real reprocussions of doing it, then they can do wahtever they want in their own time in their own house... provided NO ONE else is directly affected by it. As SOON as their actions directly affect others (such as kids, job performance, etc) then it becomes a serious issue, and I cannot tolerate it.


If you want to go "cheat" for the sake of cheating, go play a single player game. There are many out there, and they give you the codes right up front in many cases. Cheat away. If you're going to play an online game where your actions directly affect others, then play by the rules. It's as simple as that.

<< We were discussing legally whether or not someone could be taken to court for macroing. My opinion is that legally there would be no case. >>


The case would be for violating the EULA, and as I said I doubt Turbine would spend the money to do that when they can just ban your account and let you try to take them to court.

 

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